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Corbynomics: A Dystopia
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Spidernick wrote: »I am NOT putting words in your mouth. Reread what you have written on this thread today and tell me where I am wrong.
The Tories are still riven on Europe and that won't change. I think you are sadly mistaken if you think the divisions are 'superficial' and I'm sure this will be clearly shown over the coming weeks in the leadership battle.
Winning the election obviously isn't everything, but it is extremely important, if you are not in power you aren't in charge of the game, something that Blair knew, and IMO was never given credit for, by many Labour voters.
It isn't just me that thinks this about the relative problems of both parties, look at this link from the Guardian (which is not usually my first choice of source, but you strike me as more of a Guardian reader than I am).
https://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2016/jun/28/why-jeremy-corbyn-is-not-the-labour-partys-real-problem
From the link:
The British parliament now has two Tory parties and two Labour parties. But the Conservatives will find it far easier to heal the breach than Labour.
That’s because the Tory split is mainly about personalities and partially about strategy. By contrast, the Labour split is structural and ideological.Chuck Norris can kill two stones with one birdThe only time Chuck Norris was wrong was when he thought he had made a mistakeChuck Norris puts the "laughter" in "manslaughter".I've started running again, after several injuries had forced me to stop0 -
ruggedtoast wrote: »Chucknorris is a representative of the the rentier class. He sits on the back of the working man like a giant vampire toad croaking as his tenants graft while he collects rent.
The Tories think Chucknorris is their type of man. Chucknorris thinks they are pretty good fellows too.
The third corner of this triangle, the tenants, are pretty much ignored.
Things would be very different if a proper Corbyn led Labour Party were in power, ergo Chucknorris isn't very keen on the idea.
Turkeys don't usually vote for Xmas, do they? Although they seem to have done so quite recently, but don't blame me, I voted 'Remain'.
Corbyn could never win a GE, that is obvious not only to most of the country, but also to most Labour MP's. With that in mind, how the hell do you expect him to win a GE? That's what I don't get about many Labour supporters, they don't seem to understand that if you don't win the GE then you are not in a position to bring about change.Chuck Norris can kill two stones with one birdThe only time Chuck Norris was wrong was when he thought he had made a mistakeChuck Norris puts the "laughter" in "manslaughter".I've started running again, after several injuries had forced me to stop0 -
chucknorris wrote: »Turkeys don't usually vote for Xmas, do they? Although they seem to have done so quite recently, but don't blame me, I voted 'Remain'.
Corbyn could never win a GE, that is obvious not only to most of the country, but also to most Labour MP's. With that in mind, how the hell do you expect him to win a GE? That's what I don't get about many Labour supporters, they don't seem to understand that if you don't win the GE then you are not in a position to bring about change.
There are different kinds of change.
The problem with the wider electorate is that they don't know what they want or what is good for them.
They need to be re-educated.0 -
that assumes they were educated in the 1st placeLeft is never right but I always am.0
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ruggedtoast wrote: »There are different kinds of change.
The problem with the wider electorate is that they don't know what they want or what is good for them.
They need to be re-educated.
Well I don't know how to respond to that, it was a strange response from you, apart from when I was quite young, I've always known what I wanted.Chuck Norris can kill two stones with one birdThe only time Chuck Norris was wrong was when he thought he had made a mistakeChuck Norris puts the "laughter" in "manslaughter".I've started running again, after several injuries had forced me to stop0 -
ruggedtoast wrote: »The problem with the wider electorate is that they don't know what they want or what is good for them.
They need to be re-educated.
In a re-education camp?0 -
ruggedtoast wrote: »But, yet again this is the type of leader the PLP want to shove down our throats because they know whats best for us.
What they know about is whats best for themselves. Well, they aren't getting it.ruggedtoast wrote: »There are different kinds of change.
The problem with the wider electorate is that they don't know what they want or what is good for them.
They need to be re-educated.
ahhhh so the PLP aren't allowed to "know whats good for us", but Corbyn and Momentum are...
I get it now, yet again, its okay for us, but not okay for them...0 -
Malthusian wrote: »In a re-education camp?
I prefer to call them "Centres".0 -
chucknorris wrote: »Well I don't know how to respond to that, it was a strange response from you, apart from when I was quite young, I've always known what I wanted.
I'm joking really.
I think Labour will do better under Corbyn in a GE than people think.
Its a moot point really as they probably will force him out before then, do as badly or worse as they did under Ed and still blame it on the Corbyn years (or months) rather than their own sappy policies.0 -
ruggedtoast wrote: »Pretty easy. The Blairite traitors will be deselected.
Its what they want. Its what the members want. Its what the country wants.
It will be a tremendous relief not to have to see the likes of Jess Phillips mouthing off every ten minutes undermining her own party and leader.
They can all go.
So this is Corbyns kinder gentler politics:rotfl:
The Corbynistas need to go elsewhere and form their own party. Corbyn needs support from both the membership and the PLP. He has lost the PLP and the membership is draining gradually. That is why the challenge is being delayed. In our local Labour meeting on Wednesday there was near unanimity that he should resign. The Momentum types are only around to demonstrate. They dont do the door to door stuff and will be of little consequence during an election. By the way internal Labour polling shows a 20% drop in support up North post Brexit under Corbyn. Mean nothing to you?0
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