Corbynomics: A Dystopia

CLAPTON

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Why don't you tell us about that, Clapton?

Or would that involve actually looking things up, learning something, and then being unable to promote your flimsy assertions that you attempt to create through shallow repetitive rhetoric?

I would love to

however although he is on record meeting the IRA shortly after the Brighton bombing, sadly there seems is no record of him condemning the murderers.
There is a record of him hanging up the phone and refusing to talk about his links with the IRA.
There's no record of him condemning the vile McDonnell who wanted to 'honour' the killers.

He is on record of meeting some very unpleasant people and saying he was privileged to be in their company, there is no record of him confronting them about killing lgbt

its your choice to open your eyes or to deliberately walk in their shoes.

chucknorris

I've no idea why some Labour supporters want Corbyn as their party leader, but as a Tory voter I am absolutely delighted that they do. But I do wonder how long it can last, it doesn't get any better than this for the Tory party.

martinsurrey

ruggedtoast wrote: »

He has voted consistently across his career.

Disloyalty isn't voting in accordance with your principles. Disloyalty is undermining your leader at every opportunity, running to the Tory press to spread rumours, plotting coups, and spending more time criticising your own party than the opposition.

What if your principle is that the opposition should be an electable party?

That the leader should be an electable statesman?

That the day to day management of the party should be coherent (Trident fiasco anyone)?

That the leader of the party should take an active leadership role on the most important vote in 40 years?

What should they do then?

Or is it a case of, "My principles are more relevant than yours, so dont follow yours?"

and on your voting point, so it would be okay for these MP's NOT to challenge Corbyn and then vote against anything he says in the commons if its against their principles?

Spidernick

chucknorris wrote: »

I've no idea why some Labour supporters want Corbyn as their party leader, but as a Tory voter I am absolutely delighted that they do. But I do wonder how long it can last, it doesn't get any better than this for the Tory party.

Yes, all in the Tory garden certainly is roses at the moment, isn't it?!

martinsurrey

CLAPTON wrote: »

I would love to

however although he is on record meeting the IRA shortly after the Brighton bombing, sadly there seems is no record of him condemning the murderers.
There is a record of him hanging up the phone and refusing to talk about his links with the IRA.
There's no record of him condemning the vile McDonnell who wanted to 'honour' the killers.

He is on record of meeting some very unpleasant people and saying he was privileged to be in their company, there is no record of him confronting them about killing lgbt

its your choice to open your eyes or to deliberately walk in their shoes.

He was on the editorial board of the "Labour Briefing" in 1984, after the Brighton bombing when it ran with the gag

"what do you call 4 dead Tories, a start"

And mocked Norman Tebbit after he was pulled from the rubble in his pajamas.

But you know, they all had nothing to do with him, he was just there at the time...

chucknorris

Spidernick wrote: »

Yes, all in the Tory garden certainly is roses at the moment, isn't it?!

It doesn't have to be 'roses' it just has to be better than Labour, which it is by some margin.

Spidernick

chucknorris wrote: »

It doesn't have to be 'roses' it just has to be better than Labour, which it is by some margin.

So presumably you are sticking by your comment above that 'it doesn't get any better than this for the Tory Party'? I would lay very good odds that not many people, whether they be supporters or opponents of the Tories, would agree with you for one minute on that, so it would be interesting if you could extrapolate on this.

chucknorris

Spidernick wrote: »

So presumably you are sticking by your comment above that 'it doesn't get any better than this for the Tory Party'? I would lay very good odds that not many people, whether they be supporters or opponents of the Tories, would agree with you for one minute on that, so it would be interesting if you could extrapolate on this.

Yes I am sticking by it, due to the margin between the Tories and Labour.

CLAPTON

martinsurrey wrote: »

He was on the editorial board of the "Labour Briefing" in 1984, after the Brighton bombing when it ran with the gag

"what do you call 4 dead Tories, a start"

And mocked Norman Tebbit after he was pulled from the rubble in his pajamas.

But you know, they all had nothing to do with him, he was just there at the time...

I always understood (although have no documentary evidence) that the 'joke' was attributed to John McDonnell who is known to have a fine sense of humour.

but I have to say : just hearsay.

Spidernick

chucknorris wrote: »

Yes I am sticking by it, due to the margin between the Tories and Labour.

Most advocates of democracy would argue that the country needs an effective opposition to hold the government of the day to account. I have heard plenty of Tories saying that of late (including one David Cameron). As such, I think your assertion is wrong and this is certainly not a good time for the Tories either given all the problems it has. To my mind that would be like saying 'my enemy has crashed two cars and I've only crashed one so all is well in the world'!