Corbynomics: A Dystopia

Thrugelmir

Another of these is the proposal of a new ‘Labour fiscal credibility rule’, under which the party would ‘guarantee that all cuts announced for this parliament could be reversed in full

There'll be a few Labour MP's standing down if this is included in the manifesto for the next election. I know there's a new range of Ladybird books for adults but this is more akin to the Brothers Grimm.

Generali

Thrugelmir wrote: »

There'll be a few Labour MP's standing down if this is included in the manifesto for the next election. I know there's a new range of Ladybird books for adults but this is more akin to the Brothers Grimm.

You remember the thing that Mr Blair used to do where he leaked policies to the papers and if they hated it he'd drop them without ever having to announce them?

Corbyn's Labour seems to be announcing barking mad stuff and then sticking with it anyway.

Surely this can't continue for another 50 months. At some point it will stop being funny.

antrobus

Generali wrote: »

...Surely this can't continue for another 50 months. At some point it will stop being funny.

Oh, it can go on for a lot longer than 50 months.

You have to understand the psychology of the left. They are not interested in pursuing government if it means compromise. A Labour government that compromises its 'socialist principles' is a bigger enemy that a Conservative government, because it gets in their way. They would rather be in permanent opposition and preserve their 'principles '.

Thrugelmir

Generali wrote: »

Surely this can't continue for another 50 months. At some point it will stop being funny.

Labour is a fractured party internally. Sooner or later the rifts will surface into the open.

Generali

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Labour is a fractured party internally. Sooner or later the rifts will surface into the open.

It looks like its only really the PLP that is fractured to me. The members seem to be pretty solidly Corbinista AFAICS.

michaels

It is an interesting phenomenon, like with Saunders, Trump and Cruz in the US, where parties are being driven by ideology rather than electability.

I wonder whether we will ever see an idealog elected and if it happens whether 'Utopian' policies will survive a meeting with reality long enough to destroy the economy.

setmefree2

Scottish Tories buoyant as Labour vote collapses

Now, in a rapid two-year reversal of fortune, the Tories are challenging Labour for second place in the polls and on track for their best-ever result in elections to the Scottish parliament later this year, which would make them the official opposition.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/8483d4a6-d010-11e5-831d-09f7778e7377.html#axzz40KJba0Ud

Generali

setmefree2 wrote: »

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/8483d4a6-d010-11e5-831d-09f7778e7377.html#axzz40KJba0Ud

A very interesting article from the FT.

I wonder where Labour go from here. They're as popular as an old fish in Scotland, (I believe) scandalized in Wales and being eaten up by UKIP in England (I've not forgotten NI, they don't stand there).

Who is voting Labour these days? Welfare claimants don't turn out for the most part and that big industrial northern vote is being lost to UKIP. The 'ethnic minority' vote simply isn't big enough to make a majority and is turning Tory too as the second and third generations join the middle class.

Filo25

Generali wrote: »

It looks like its only really the PLP that is fractured to me. The members seem to be pretty solidly Corbinista AFAICS.

I would agree that a clear majority of members are Corbyn supporters, there is a large minority which views him as utterly disastrous however.

The problem for Labour in elections however is that the average Labour member is not remotely typical of the average Labour voter, never mind the public at large.

antrobus

Generali wrote: »

.... The 'ethnic minority' vote simply isn't big enough to make a majority and is turning Tory too as the second and third generations join the middle class.

As far as the BME or ethnic minority vote is concerned. The split was 52%-33% in favour of Labour in 2015, but it was 68%-16% in 2010; that's a really big swing.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/24/one-million-minority-ethnic-votes-helped-tories-no-10