Corbynomics: A Dystopia

Generali

Filo25 wrote: »

I would agree that a clear majority of members are Corbyn supporters, there is a large minority which views him as utterly disastrous however.

The problem for Labour in elections however is that the average Labour member is not remotely typical of the average Labour voter, never mind the public at large.

I agree.

Elections are won and lost in places like Basildon and Swindon and I simply can't see Mr Corbyn getting anywhere with what was once known as White Van Man or Mondeo Man.

I don't know anything about you Filo25 but if you're a working class person wanting to get ahead in life and make a better world for you and your family then I just don't see what a Corbynite Labour Party offers you.

antrobus

Filo25 wrote: »

I would agree that a clear majority of members are Corbyn supporters, there is a large minority which views him as utterly disastrous however.....

Slightly less than half of the actual membership of the Labour Party voted for Corbyn; his big vote came from the affiliated and particularly registered supporters (the £3 crowd).

There was probably a clear majority of the members who were Benn supporters in the early 1980s. It only takes one electoral disaster to change their minds.

Filo25 wrote: »

...The problem for Labour in elections however is that the average Labour member is not remotely typical of the average Labour voter, never mind the public at large.

That's true enough.

antrobus

Generali wrote: »

..Elections are won and lost in places like Basildon and Swindon and I simply can't see Mr Corbyn getting anywhere with what was once known as White Van Man or Mondeo Man.....

Or my constituency. Which has picked the winner for the past 40 years.

Filo25

Generali wrote: »

I agree.

Elections are won and lost in places like Basildon and Swindon and I simply can't see Mr Corbyn getting anywhere with what was once known as White Van Man or Mondeo Man.

I don't know anything about you Filo25 but if you're a working class person wanting to get ahead in life and make a better world for you and your family then I just don't see what a Corbynite Labour Party offers you.

Its their issues on competence just as much as positioning that is killing the party at present.

There have been no shortage of opportunities provided by the government to score some strong political points since the last election, instead Labour seem more interested in navel gazing and pontificating on issues that to be brutally honest most voters, outside of committed activists, don't care a great deal about.

My concern is that no matter what party you support I don't think it is healthy for any government to lack a competent, credible opposition, and I don't believe we have one at present.

Generali

antrobus wrote: »

Or my constituency. Which has picked the winner for the past 40 years.

Every constituency I have voted in has been either solidly Tory or Labour. In the Labour Constituency I voted Labour to make sure the BNP didn't get in :eek:

Filo25 wrote: »

My concern is that no matter what party you support I don't think it is healthy for any government to lack a competent, credible opposition, and I don't believe we have one at present.

Again, I agree. It's terribly unhealthy to have what amounts to a single party system because the opposition is so utterly incompetent.

antrobus

Generali wrote: »

Every constituency I have voted in has been either solidly Tory or Labour. In the Labour Constituency I voted Labour to make sure the BNP didn't get in :eek:
...

I've lived in the same constituency for the past, oh 40 years, about as long as it has been a bellweather constituency, so my vote counts. And I have voted for different parties at different times.

So all you party partisans out there, ought to be really nice to me.:)

Generali

antrobus wrote: »

I've lived in the same constituency for the past, oh 40 years, about as long as it has been a bellweather constituency, so my vote counts. And I have voted for different parties at different times.

So all you party partisans out there, ought to be really nice to me.:)

Haha.

Not really my problem old fruit unless you live in Aus too!

ruggedtoast

antrobus wrote: »

Slightly less than half of the actual membership of the Labour Party voted for Corbyn; his big vote came from the affiliated and particularly registered supporters (the £3 crowd).

There was probably a clear majority of the members who were Benn supporters in the early 1980s. It only takes one electoral disaster to change their minds.



That's true enough.

Or to spin it another way, barely 20% of members voted for the candidate wealthy people who want to pay no tax and abolish the minimum wage, wanted to win. Andy Burnham.

Or there was that other exciting candidate wealthy people who want to pay no tax and abolish the minimum wage, wanted to win. Liz Kendall, who came in at 5%.

And we mustn't forget Yvette Cooper who for a long time was a front runner for wealthy people who want to pay no tax and abolish the minimum wage, who came in at 22%.

Considering these three enjoyed 100% of the blatant propaganda from the bought and paid for Tory owned mainstream press and the BBC, and only got 50% of actual party members votes between them, it must all be a terrible worry for wealthy people who want to pay no tax and abolish the minimum wage.

If they can't pay to tell the proles who to vote for and have them do so, then what on earth is the point of rigging the media and paying off politicians anyway?

People will be asking for democracy next.

http://www.labour.org.uk/blog/entry/results-of-the-labour-leadership-and-deputy-leadership-election

michaels

Shame really - had I realised that PLP labour stood for 'wealthy' people paying no tax and abolition of the mnimum wage then I might have voted for Ed Milliband

antrobus

ruggedtoast wrote: »

..http://www.labour.org.uk/blog/entry/results-of-the-labour-leadership-and-deputy-leadership-election

Cool. 245,520 members voted for the leader, 121,751 picked Corbyn, which is pretty obviously "Slightly less than half of the actual membership".

So I was right.

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