Corbynomics: A Dystopia

CLAPTON

ukcarper wrote: »

They obviously support Corbyn that's what they were set up for but they are nothing to do with Labour leadership, other than supporting its leader.

I'm sure this is an attempt at humour : but it doesn't really work

Moby

vivatifosi wrote: »

It doesn't matter how nice or genuine he is if he is the wrong person to lead the party. I am a floating voter and would not vote for a party led by him. Many wouldn't. Meanwhile the lib dems are also in disarray and the Tories are nursing a potentially damaging split over Europe. This could have been a prime time for Labour to garner support and build its base. Instead, if it carries on, it will be languishing in political backwaters.

There are many nice, genuine, principled people in the world. It would be great if more politicians were made from that mould. However it doesn't follow that every nice, genuine and principled person can lead a major political party. This man is not up to the task. The sooner people realise that, the sooner Labour can get back to being the force it should be.

Totally agree with what you say.....I'm just saying he doesn't deserve the vilification he receives. I think a lot of it is based on prejudice and bigotry. At PM Questions for instance he tries his best to represent his points and he stays civil. Call me Dave and his backbenchers deride him; they jeer him and are full of scorn......typical school boy behaviour. I understand that's because they have no respect for him but it also doesn't reflect well on them imo. They have a duty to consider the points he makes because the points he makes concern the country at large.

Mistermeaner

Thats from the school of thinking that says everyone is entitled to an opinion. While this is true unfortunately the vast majority of people are pretty thick and very badly informed so more often than not their opinions are worthless.

Politics can be a cruel game and you must play it right to win in order to then do the things you want.

The left give osbourne grief for not reducing the deficit enough while bemoaning every spending cut he makes. Wheres the logic there?

gadgetmind

ukcarper wrote: »

I don't think he does and he believes his policies would improve the country.

Well, they'd certainly make the UK much more like Greece and Venezuela, which may suit him but it's not for me. Fortunately, it's not for the vast majority of voters either, so his socialist wet dreams won't get him very far.

Thrugelmir

ukcarper wrote: »

I'm not sure it's as simple as that especially if the result is very close.

Unlike the SNP's view of Independence for Scotland. There's not going to be another election when it's deemed that winning is the likely outcome. I'll cast my vote. If the majority prefer the alternative option. I'll accept the decision and move on.

mwpt

Moby wrote: »

Totally agree with what you say.....I'm just saying he doesn't deserve the vilification he receives. I think a lot of it is based on prejudice and bigotry. At PM Questions for instance he tries his best to represent his points and he stays civil. Call me Dave and his backbenchers deride him; they jeer him and are full of scorn......typical school boy behaviour. I understand that's because they have no respect for him but it also doesn't reflect well on them imo. They have a duty to consider the points he makes because the points he makes concern the country at large.

I actually agree with this to an extent. It's intensely embarrassing watching that clown show smirking at Corbyn's questions and answering with something inane like "how long did it take you to reshuffle". But Corbyn's isn't innocent himself when he's asking questions about flood relief he is just trying o score cheap points.

ukcarper

gadgetmind wrote: »

Well, they'd certainly make the UK much more like Greece and Venezuela, which may suit him but it's not for me. Fortunately, it's not for the vast majority of voters either, so his socialist wet dreams won't get him very far.

Probably true but that doesn't mean he doesn't think his ideas would work. I suspect there is a large minority of voters who will support him.

ukcarper

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Unlike the SNP's view of Independence for Scotland. There's not going to be another election when it's deemed that winning is the likely outcome. I'll cast my vote. If the majority prefer the alternative option. I'll accept the decision and move on.

So will I, but I suspect that if there is very small majority to stay in there will be quite a few people who will not be prepared to do the same.

setmefree2

Corbyn ‘could pledge reversal of ALL Tory cuts’ (that’s £20billion, by the way)

In a piece in the Observer yesterday, Corbyn’s opposition to David Cameron’s proposed ’emergency brake’ on benefits for new migrants was described as one of a series of ‘potentially contentious moves designed to leave his political stamp on the party.’
Another of these is the proposal of a new ‘Labour fiscal credibility rule’, under which the party would ‘guarantee that all cuts announced for this parliament could be reversed in full

http://metro.co.uk/2016/02/15/corbyn-could-pledge-reversal-of-all-tory-cuts-thats-20billion-by-the-way-5682775/

A senior Labour backbencher told The Daily Telegraph: "Any attempt by Jeremy to oppose parts of the deal which are actually popular with voters outside Islington will lead to mutiny with MPs and trade unions."
Labour yesterday downplayed the reports, saying that he will instead say that Mr Cameron has been "playing at the edges" during the renegotiation.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/12156685/Jeremy-Corbyn-faces-mutiny-from-MPs-over-claims-he-believes-migrant-benefit-curbs-are-discriminatory.html

Generali

ComRes, the only pollsters so far to have comprehensively changed their models as a result of the failures of polling in the lead up to the 2015 General Election, have a new poll out:

http://www.comres.co.uk/polls/iossunday-mirror-february-2016-political-poll/

Con 41% (+1)
Lab 27% (-2)
LD 9% (+2)
UKIP 15% (-1)
Green 3% (NC)
SNP 5% (+1)
Other 1% (NC)

And this is despite the 'migration crisis', the cluster whatsit that is the junior doctors strike and the whole EU/Brexit mess.

By 2020 when Mr Corbyn really has the spotlight on him he'll be lucky to get a quarter of the votes.