Corbynomics: A Dystopia

antrobus

ruggedtoast wrote: »

He's "putting it up" to still well below the level of a living wage, removing tax credits and working benefits from the poorest people in the country, and then handing over yet another giant dollop of taxpayer funded corporate welfare to employers to offset the cost.

No one on a low income is better off from this stingy fiscal sleight of hand, nor is the taxpayer, the only people it benefits are the rich. Again.

Fascinating. But that doesn't answer my question; are Burnham, Cooper, and Kendall more right wing than Osborne because they (allegedly) want to abolish the minimum wage?

ruggedtoast wrote: »

And is more than Tony Blair got. A man not often accused of not having a mandate.

But I was still right when I said that "Slightly less than half of the actual membership". voted foe Corbyn. The link you so helpfully provided proves that.

I did not mention Tony Blair.

ruggedtoast

gadgetmind wrote: »

It would be far more likely that the moderates would instead form a new party and leave the PLP to fly off further to the extreme left.

It would make a lot more sense if the "moderates" just went and joined the Tory Party, with whom they appear to be in complete agreement on every issue from Trident to welfare cuts anyway.

I personally don't have a lot of time for people who think that housing people, looking after the vulnerable, the NHS, and asking employers to put some of their profits into tax and salaries rather than offshore accounts, is "extreme left". So I dont think they'd be missed.

antrobus

Out,_Vile_Jelly wrote: »

Noticed an ad in the back of Private Eye: "Think Corbyn is a Socialist? No, neither do we"- for the Socialist Party. You could get a free newspaper if anyone's interested.

No, no, and no again.:)

It's an ad for the Socialist Party of Great Britain. The Socialist Party is what Militant, previously the Revolutionary Socialist League, now calls itself. They are a bunch of Trots.

The Socialist Party of Great Britain are Marxist purists, untainted by the Bolshevik heresy, and have been since 1902. Or thereabouts. But in any case, they are not a bunch of Trots.

gadgetmind

And we thought Monty Python were making it up!

gadgetmind

ruggedtoast wrote: »

It would make a lot more sense if the "moderates" just went and joined the Tory Party, with whom they appear to be in complete agreement

They'd also be far closer to what voters want, particularly the critical swing voters, and they could leave the Cs, Ds and unemployed with the PLP.

setmefree2

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Or to spin it another way, barely 20% of members voted for the candidate wealthy people who want to pay no tax and abolish the minimum wage, wanted to win. Andy Burnham.

You really have lost the plot if you think Burnham is too right wing. Burnham is only a tad better than Corbyn.

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Or there was that other exciting candidate wealthy people who want to pay no tax and abolish the minimum wage, wanted to win. Liz Kendall, who came in at 5%.

She wanted to reintroduce the 50% tax rate so I wouldn't vote for her. Not sure how you think a 50% tax rate helps the wealthy maybe you can explain?

ruggedtoast wrote: »

And we mustn't forget Yvette Cooper who for a long time was a front runner for wealthy people who want to pay no tax and abolish the minimum wage, who came in at 22%.

She was the most credible tbh but Labour don't do women.

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Considering these three enjoyed 100% of the blatant propaganda from the bought and paid for Tory owned mainstream press and the BBC, and only got 50% of actual party members votes between them, it must all be a terrible worry for wealthy people who want to pay no tax and abolish the minimum wage.

Most of us are happy to pay tax but not at stupidly high rates.

mwpt

ruggedtoast wrote: »

It would make a lot more sense if the "moderates" just went and joined the Tory Party, with whom they appear to be in complete agreement on every issue from Trident to welfare cuts anyway.

I personally don't have a lot of time for people who think that housing people, looking after the vulnerable, the NHS, and asking employers to put some of their profits into tax and salaries rather than offshore accounts, is "extreme left". So I dont think they'd be missed.

But employers already put some of their profits into tax and salaries. In the view of a left wing person, what makes another person who thinks we have about the correct amount of tax and government spending, particularly right wing?

setmefree2

michaels wrote: »

Shame really - had I realised that PLP labour stood for 'wealthy' people paying no tax and abolition of the mnimum wage then I might have voted for Ed Milliband

As I recall the two Eds wanted to reintroduce the 50% tax rate.....

ruggedtoast

Generali wrote: »

(1) I was just wondering why you stated that Mr Corbyn got more votes than Mr Blair when it seems that you knew that wasn't the case. Why did you do that old boy?

(2) The PLP seems not to represent the membership any more and I suspect that it'll be the PLP that will have to give way.

We'll see whether Labour becomes more or less popular under Corbynism but I can't imagine giving up the (3) Falklands, giving up (4) The Bomb and soaking the rich to shower benefits on the (5) indolent are likely to gain popularity.

I'm happy that us Tories don't have to be concerned about any threat from Mr Corbyn. My bigger concern is the dearth of democracy resulting from a lack of (6) opposition.

1. He got a higher %age of votes.

2. Yes I hope so.

3. Except he hasn't said that. The last leader to talk seriously about handing over the Falklands to the Argentinians was Thatcher, whose total lassitude about them and their defense led to Galtiieri invading in the assumption that Britain would not respond. Thatcher was still looking for a power sharing solution when the task force was sailing to the combat zone.

But of course it doesn't really matter what Corbyn says because the MSM will never report it accurately and people who read the MSM will never believe they are being misled, apparently.

4. Personally I would rather have schools and hospitals and our squaddies not having to buy their own kit, than a £120bn present to the Americans so that we can borrow a tiny number of nuclear missiles no credible defense analyst believes we could ever actually use without the USA's permission.

5. Typical right wing prejudice and victim blaming.

6. I'll bear that in mind when I am knocking on doors in Britain. Maybe you can draw some comfort in that although you cant do the same, your side already owns 98% of the media, and funds 100% of the corporate lobbying so its not like you have been left voiceless.

ruggedtoast

antrobus wrote: »

Fascinating. But that doesn't answer my question; are Burnham, Cooper, and Kendall more right wing than Osborne because they (allegedly) want to abolish the minimum wage?



But I was still right when I said that "Slightly less than half of the actual membership". voted foe Corbyn. The link you so helpfully provided proves that.

I did not mention Tony Blair.

I did not say that Cooper et al want to abolish the minimum wage, at least openly, I said they were the preferred candidates of the 1%.