Corbynomics: A Dystopia

Moby

Interesting little statistic for the bigots on this thread regarding today's PMQ's........... 13 of the 17 MPs sitting on Labour's frontbench for #PMQs today are women. Compares to just 4 women of the 16 MPs on Tory frontbench!

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

Interesting little statistic for the bigots on this thread regarding today's PMQ's........... 13 of the 17 MPs sitting on Labour's frontbench for #PMQs today are women. Compares to just 4 women of the 16 MPs on Tory frontbench!

do you also know the numbers of IRA supporters on the front benches of each side: I'm sure the fellow travellers would love to know.

gadgetmind

mwpt wrote: »

This forum does seem to over represent a particular demographic, yes.

Or maybe it just under represents those in social class DE and the unemployed?

kinger101

Moby wrote: »

Interesting little statistic for the bigots on this thread regarding today's PMQ's........... 13 of the 17 MPs sitting on Labour's frontbench for #PMQs today are women. Compares to just 4 women of the 16 MPs on Tory frontbench!

To be applauded, but with the exception of Diane Abbott, nobody would recognize any of them from [STRIKE]Adam[/STRIKE] Eve if they bumped into them in the street. The more talented MPs like Stella Creasy, Caroline Flint or Jess Phillips don't want be be, or are not likely to be invited into, the shadow cabinet. A good leader would pick his best team.

Generali

Moby wrote: »

May be right on twitter perhaps but it seems to me the evidence of this thread would seem to indicate the shouty bigotry is coming from the right wing contributors who can't resist their mutual backslapping over May 8th. Of course who is right or wrong will always change depending on events and those tweeting birds can quite quickly change into vultures........... reality is hitting home now, the pound sinks, markets jerk up and down and Osborne is already downplaying his forecasts. Meanwhile on the horizon is a very contentious EU referendum. Never mind porky Dave is leading us to the sunny uplands where the rich get richer and the poor are grateful for the crumbs from the table.
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jan/18/richest-62-billionaires-wealthy-half-world-population-combined

I realise you are absolutely desperate for the wheels to fall off the economy because that'a the only faint hope Labour have of winning but it's a bit extreme to wish poverty on millions so that Mr Corbyn can win power.

What do you propose doing about the spread of wealth across the world? Most of the problem is caused by the fact that the poor, who live in SE Asia and in land-locked Africa for the most part, have no wealth at all. What is the solution? The only solution I can see is to stop spending money on the relatively poor but actually rich in international terms and spend that money on the actually poor overseas. I can't imagine that would be particularly popular as a policy.

antrobus

Moby wrote: »

Well not quite as clear as that imo.....if another state knows you have the technical capibility to develop and arm a weapon, the deterrent value remains. China knows Japan could develop a weapon....that stops China invading disputed islands. If Japan had no such ability China may be more likely to invade.....

Japan is under the US nuclear umbrella. That's the deterrent.

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/03/13/national/politics-diplomacy/because-of-u-s-nuclear-umbrella-japan-not-to-support-austrian-document-seeking-atomic-weapons-ban/

Moby wrote: »

...Corbyn may morally object to nuclear weapons in any situation.....but Corbyn's views are being thrown into the mix along with everyone else's. He'll have to compromise....nothing wrong with that....it'll be good for him. After all the Labour Party is a broad church......... and if splits are to be avoided.....!

Corbyn can morally object to anything he likes, in the same way as I can object to his policy suggestion as being both stupid and illogical.

gadgetmind

Generali wrote: »

The only solution I can see is to stop spending money on the relatively poor but actually rich in international terms and spend that money on the actually poor overseas. I can't imagine that would be particularly popular as a policy.

Agreed 100%.

I keep observing to Western "poor" how rich they are in global terms, and enumerating all the opportunities they've had (yet squandered) that those elsewhere would - sometimes literally - die for. I have yet to be thanked, but still keep doing my bit.

Generali

gadgetmind wrote: »

Agreed 100%.

I keep observing to Western "poor" how rich they are in global terms, and enumerating all the opportunities they've had (yet squandered) that those elsewhere would - sometimes literally - die for. I have yet to be thanked, but still keep doing my bit.

The funny thing is that the Millennium Development Goals have meant unprecedented increases in income for many of the poorest people in the world. By focusing on a few dozen people is to miss, probably deliberately, the very real and very important work that has been done on improving the outcomes for the people that live lives unimaginable to us in the West.

Generali

Oh and in polling news:

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/9586

The monthly ICM poll for the Guardian is out today and has topline figures of CON 40%, LAB 35%, LDEM 6%, UKIP 10%, GRN 3%. The full details are on ICM’s website here and again come with some pretty candid and downbeat commentary from Martin Boon, who writes that the raw data is still heavily skewed towards Labour and that – to his mind – the existing data correction at the analysis stage isn’t succeeding in correcting it (Martin was also interviewed in Radio 4’s interesting programme this week on why the polls went wrong, as was Joe Tywman of YouGov, Damian Lyons Lowe of Survation, James Morris of GQRR and Pat Sturgis – the Chair of tomorrow’s inquiry into the polling failure).

There were three other GB voting intention polls in the weekend papers. ComRes for the Indy on Sunday had figures of CON 40%, LAB 29%, LDEM 7%, UKIP 16%, GRN 3%, Panelbase in the Sunday Times had toplines of CON 39%, LAB 31%, LDEM 6%, UKIP 14% and Survation in the Mail on Sunday had CON 37%, LAB 30%, LDEM 7%, UKIP 16%, GRN 3%.

And a quick note from Martin Boon of ICM for those who feel that a 5 point lead for the Tories gives Labour hope:

Thus far then, our solutions have been to correct data outcomes at analysis stage - which, to my mind, are not succeeding to the extent they need to. In my view, we continue to overstate the Labour Party share, and this remains the focus of ICM’s methodological evolution on which there will be more in the coming months.

http://www.icmunlimited.com/media-centre/media-center/guardian-poll-january-2016

Oh dear.

And who are the new members of the Labour Party, the Corbynistas?

A disproportionate number of Labour members who have joined since the 2015 general election are “high-status city dwellers” pursuing well-paid jobs, according to internal party data.

The party is doing less well when it comes to attracting rural dwellers, elderly people and those struggling to make ends meet, leaked documents show.

Given that the PLP is dominated by privately educated toffs, lead by a privately educated toff and the Labour party itself is dominated by toffs, perhaps it's time some critics of the Tories stopped with this 'out of touch poshos' schtick.

BarleyGB

Generali wrote: »

Oh and in polling news:

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/9586



And a quick note from Martin Boon of ICM for those who feel that a 5 point lead for the Tories gives Labour hope:



http://www.icmunlimited.com/media-centre/media-center/guardian-poll-january-2016

Oh dear.

And who are the new members of the Labour Party, the Corbynistas?



Given that the PLP is dominated by privately educated toffs, lead by a privately educated toff and the Labour party itself is dominated by toffs, perhaps it's time some critics of the Tories stopped with this 'out of touch poshos' schtick.

Let's get a sense of perspective, to balance this out they now have an under achieving leader who managed 2 grade E A-Levels and went on to Trade Union Studies.