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Corbynomics: A Dystopia
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The usual stereotyping nonsense from you. Actually Labour voters were more easily to reach because they were more internet savvy. Internet polls also tended to show a larger Labour vote for that reason!
Moby, that (internet savvy) is probably why labour voters were/are so bewildered that somehow the rest of the country pulled the carpet from under them. My experience of social media is that the loudest or most common voices are very left leaning, so they probably fall foul to confirmation bias reading their fellow posters.0 -
Well, it's very much in line with what the report says.The usual stereotyping nonsense from you.
The report does also discuss the difference between younger voters, who are more inclined to use the internet and vote for the left.Actually Labour voters were more easily to reach because they were more internet savvy. Internet polls also tended to show a larger Labour vote for that reason!I am not a financial adviser and neither do I play one on television. I might occasionally give bad advice but at least it's free.
Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can't see them.0 -
My experience of social media is that the loudest or most common voices are very left leaning, so they probably fall foul to confirmation bias reading their fellow posters.
Absolutely 100% agreed. Anyone presenting a more moderate and centrist POV on Twitter or Facebook tends to get attacked from all sides by a shouty left wing minority.
On that wonderful morning of May 8th, when the sun shone brighter and the birds tweeted louder, they all had to come to terms with the fact that your mates all agreeing with you doesn't make you right.I am not a financial adviser and neither do I play one on television. I might occasionally give bad advice but at least it's free.
Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can't see them.0 -
Well not quite as clear as that imo.....if another state knows you have the technical capibility to develop and arm a weapon, the deterrent value remains. China knows Japan could develop a weapon....that stops China invading disputed islands. If Japan had no such ability China may be more likely to invade.
Watch last Sunday's Sunday Politics - Thornberry's interview with Neill. They were both aware of the term; just because you have never heard of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist!Ms Thornberry can call it what she likes, but the fact is that Japan does not have a fleet of submarines complete with ICBMs floating about the seas. Japan has no offensive missile capability whatsoever. Thus calling it the 'Japanese option' would be highly misleading. I will not be misled by anyone, irrespective of whether they go by the name of Thornberry or Corbyn.
How would I know....? besides Japan does have the technical capability....how long it would take to arm is arguable but there is still a deterrent value in their position.Having the technical ability to build a warhead and the raw material to do, and actually possessing the capability to do so are two different things. Japan may have the former, but it does not have the latter. Estimates on how long it would take for Japan to actually produce a warhead range from six months, to about five years, if you believe this report.
You said six months not me and besides states tend to know for much longer than six months ahead who their enemies are. The decision as to whether to develop a weapon would therefore depend on the current political context. Japan does no have a need at present but in future if relations with China deteriorate further their decision may change. Similarly many would argue that in the West political tensions are not the same as they were in the cold war period so an actual arming of subs is not necessary..... but could change if Putin invaded Poland. Your example of a pre-emptive strike flattening our cities before we could re-arm.......... imo anyone mad enough to do that would not be deterred by anything including armed subs! The argument of detterance would have failed anyway in that scenario!I would submit that, firstly; even if it takes only six months, a fat lot of good that will be. If someone has just flattened every major city in the country, and crippled your industrial infrastructure, you are in no position to do much at all.And secondly; if you have a moral objection to the use of nuclear weapons, what difference does it make when you are going to launch the missile? It's like arguing that, whilst it would be wrong to kill your wife tomorrow, it's perfectly OK if you wait six months.
Corbyn may morally object to nuclear weapons in any situation.....but Corbyn's views are being thrown into the mix along with everyone else's. He'll have to compromise....nothing wrong with that....it'll be good for him. After all the Labour Party is a broad church......... and if splits are to be avoided.....!0 -
gadgetmind wrote: »Absolutely 100% agreed. Anyone presenting a more moderate and centrist POV on Twitter or Facebook tends to get attacked from all sides by a shouty left wing minority.
On that wonderful morning of May 8th, when the sun shone brighter and the birds tweeted louder, they all had to come to terms with the fact that your mates all agreeing with you doesn't make you right.
It's not just those on the left wing who are very vocal online, those on the right can be so too, its the poor sods in the centre who tend to get shouted down by all sides!0 -
"High employment also suggests a Conservative win
"Just three of the twenty areas with the highest levels of employment didn’t return a Tory MP. It’s even more stark with unemployment – just one of the areas with the highest unemployment in the country didn’t vote Labour. Average employment in Labour-held constituencies is eight per cent lower than in Conservative-held constituencies, and unemployment is three per cent higher. "
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/11599600/How-did-the-Conservatives-win-the-general-election.html
So, in areas of high employment, it will be harder to find people at home (pesky jobs) and these were the areas most likely to vote for the conservatives in 2015.I am not a financial adviser and neither do I play one on television. I might occasionally give bad advice but at least it's free.
Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can't see them.0 -
It's not just those on the left wing who are very vocal online, those on the right can be so too, its the poor sods in the centre who tend to get shouted down by all sides!
I've got friends from across the political spectrum, both in real life and on social media. It tends to be more friends-of-friends who are on the extremes, but mostly to the extreme left IME. Those on the right tend to be more explainers and reasoners than shouters, again IME.I am not a financial adviser and neither do I play one on television. I might occasionally give bad advice but at least it's free.
Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can't see them.0 -
gadgetmind wrote: »Absolutely 100% agreed. Anyone presenting a more moderate and centrist POV on Twitter or Facebook tends to get attacked from all sides by a shouty left wing minority.
On that wonderful morning of May 8th, when the sun shone brighter and the birds tweeted louder, they all had to come to terms with the fact that your mates all agreeing with you doesn't make you right.
May be right on twitter perhaps but it seems to me the evidence of this thread would seem to indicate the shouty bigotry is coming from the right wing contributors who can't resist their mutual backslapping over May 8th. Of course who is right or wrong will always change depending on events and those tweeting birds can quite quickly change into vultures........... reality is hitting home now, the pound sinks, markets jerk up and down and Osborne is already downplaying his forecasts. Meanwhile on the horizon is a very contentious EU referendum. Never mind porky Dave is leading us to the sunny uplands where the rich get richer and the poor are grateful for the crumbs from the table.
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jan/18/richest-62-billionaires-wealthy-half-world-population-combined0 -
the right wing contributors who can't resist their mutual backslapping over May 8th.
Well, I'm not at right wing as Labour, but still.
Anyway, more snippets.
https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/3575/How-Britain-voted-in-2015.aspx?view=wide
"Labour only had a clear lead over the Conservatives among 18-34s, voters in social class DE, among private and social renters, and BME voters. "
You call it stereotyping, I call it statistics.I am not a financial adviser and neither do I play one on television. I might occasionally give bad advice but at least it's free.
Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can't see them.0 -
May be right on twitter perhaps but it seems to me the evidence of this thread would seem to indicate the shouty bigotry is coming from the right wing contributors who can't resist their mutual backslapping over May 8th.
This forum does seem to over represent a particular demographic, yes. But do note that of all the posters on this forum, it is probably only about six or seven posting in this thread, I guess. And of those, certain are more moderate.0
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