Corbynomics: A Dystopia

antrobus

Moby wrote: »

You can twist it anyway you like. This nasty little thread is peopled by right wing haters who thank each other for trawling out the most recent 'news' to smear and pour derision on a decent human being. Anyone who dares to offer a different view is mobbed by the clique who also think that repeating the same point again and again or 'cleverly' twisting the debate makes them even more right. Then their fellow travellers thank them and they feel even more reassured in their self righteous superiority. As I said arrogance and self awareness don't complement each other and luckily for me I rarely encounter such anti social views in the real world. Such types tend to be more reticent in company.....probably explains why they spend their days on here:p

The biggest 'hater' on this thread is you.

You are the one engaging in repeated ad hominem attacks. (See above for a good example.:))

gadgetmind

Moby wrote: »

This nasty little thread is peopled by right wing haters

No, not really, so why not back off on the personal attacks and maybe debate the actual issues?

Generali

gadgetmind wrote: »

No, not really, so why not back off on the personal attacks and maybe debate the actual issues?

I think it's quite sweet (s)he pops in, abuses us for a while and effs off again.

What a lovable, hate-fuelled leftie. Daaaw.

setmefree2

Jeremy Corbyn warned that Labour faces triple whammy of election blows in May

Exclusive: Shadow cabinet told party due to lose 200 English council seats, its effective majority on Welsh Assembly and every Scottish constituency seat

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/12113788/Jeremy-Corbyn-warned-that-Labour-faces-triple-whammy-of-election-blows-in-May.html

setmefree2

Moby wrote: »

You can twist it anyway you like. This nasty little thread is peopled by right wing haters who thank each other for trawling out the most recent 'news' to smear and pour derision on a decent human being. Anyone who dares to offer a different view is mobbed by the clique who also think that repeating the same point again and again or 'cleverly' twisting the debate makes them even more right. Then their fellow travellers thank them and they feel even more reassured in their self righteous superiority. As I said arrogance and self awareness don't complement each other and luckily for me I rarely encounter such anti social views in the real world. Such types tend to be more reticent in company.....probably explains why they spend their days on here:p

Maybe we are right wing (isn't everyone righter - wing than you? ) but many of us have posted that we don't like JC because he is leaving our country without an effective opposition, which isn't good for democracy. I think that is a perfectly acceptable position and in no way makes us the nasty ones.

TBH I'm glad you offer a different POV but I can't THANK your posts as I don't agree with them. I'm sorry that no-one else feels they can Thank your posts - presumably they don't agree with you either.

I'm guessing you keep contributing to this thread because, as you say, you only mix with like-minded people in real life. That's why I like coming on here too - I like reading a different range of opinions.

I have no idea why you end your post with an insult about people who post on this board having no "real life" - you seem to spend as much time on here as any other poster and you seem to think you have a RL.

By the way, I don't agree with you that Corbyn is decent person - on so many levels I find him indecent.

ruggedtoast

Moby wrote: »

You can twist it anyway you like. This nasty little thread is peopled by right wing haters who thank each other for trawling out the most recent 'news' to smear and pour derision on a decent human being. Anyone who dares to offer a different view is mobbed by the clique who also think that repeating the same point again and again or 'cleverly' twisting the debate makes them even more right. Then their fellow travellers thank them and they feel even more reassured in their self righteous superiority. As I said arrogance and self awareness don't complement each other and luckily for me I rarely encounter such anti social views in the real world. Such types tend to be more reticent in company.....probably explains why they spend their days on here:p

The reason that they are angry about Jeremy Corbyn is because they are scared of him. Or more precisely they are frightened of the people who support him and what that means for them.

Corbyn could disappear tomorrow and that would make no real difference. Labour isn't going back to becoming a row of nodding dogs that agree with the Tory Party and their backers any time soon.

There is a groundswell of people who fundamentally oppose inequality, unearned privilege, the demonisation of the working class, and the political process designed to perpetuate this. They aren't going to go away, they aren't going to shut up, they don't care about Labour winning the next gerrymandered Murdoch approved election, because they mean to ultimately change the political process.

There are millions of them already and by 2020 and beyond its looking like there will be millions more. One look at the media shows you that it is scaring the bejesus out the Tory owned mainstream and their ideology of all men being created un-equal.

Generali

ruggedtoast wrote: »

The reason that they are angry about Jeremy Corbyn is because they are scared of him. Or more precisely they are frightened of the people who support him and what that means for them.

Corbyn could disappear tomorrow and that would make no real difference. Labour isn't going back to becoming a row of nodding dogs that agree with the Tory Party and their backers any time soon.

There is a groundswell of people who fundamentally oppose inequality, unearned privilege, the demonisation of the working class, and the political process designed to perpetuate this. They aren't going to go away, they aren't going to shut up, they don't care about Labour winning the next gerrymandered Murdoch approved election, because they mean to ultimately change the political process.

There are millions of them already and by 2020 and beyond its looking like there will be millions more. One look at the media shows you that it is scaring the bejesus out the Tory owned mainstream and their ideology of all men being created un-equal.

It's an interesting thesis. Here's another one.

Corbynism is just another spin on undergraduate hard left politics which does nothing at all to resolve the problems of the UK as seen by the 'working class' (who actually are increasingly middle class: kids at uni and owning property or at least aspiring to be).

The only thing Mr Corbyn is doing for the Labour Party is hastening its demise. The only reason they get the number of voters they do is because as the second largest party they get a huge amount of money from the state plus guaranteed (by law) access to the media. Oh, and they get huge amounts from state employees who are about the only members left of trades unions.

The working class are abandoning Labour for UKIP who, rightly or wrongly, they feel speaks for them. Once UKIP, who I do not support in any way, reaches a critical mass of starting to make genuine inroads into the Labour vote, Labour will wither on the vine to become an echo of history, rather like the Lib Dems being the remnants of the Liberal Party.

Labour, I am sure, will return a few MPs from some of the northern cities with aging populations. The few left that remember the glory days of Bevan and Atlee. Labour simply aren't relevant any more. The obscure arguments over minutiae of ideological purity from the writings of 19th Century theorists don't mean anything in 21st Century Britain. The fact that Labour has returned one PM in the last 42 years and probably won't have returned a PM except Mr Blair for 51 years by the time of the 2025 General Election tells you all you need to know about the Labour Party.

The UK needs a party of opposition and the closest thing at the moment seems to be the SNP. Labour seem to be more interested in shooting themselves in the foot right now (no pun intended).

michaels

ruggedtoast wrote: »

The reason that they are angry about Jeremy Corbyn is because they are scared of him. Or more precisely they are frightened of the people who support him and what that means for them.

Corbyn could disappear tomorrow and that would make no real difference. Labour isn't going back to becoming a row of nodding dogs that agree with the Tory Party and their backers any time soon.

There is a groundswell of people who fundamentally oppose inequality, unearned privilege, the demonisation of the working class, and the political process designed to perpetuate this. They aren't going to go away, they aren't going to shut up, they don't care about Labour winning the next gerrymandered Murdoch approved election, because they mean to ultimately change the political process.

There are millions of them already and by 2020 and beyond its looking like there will be millions more. One look at the media shows you that it is scaring the bejesus out the Tory owned mainstream and their ideology of all men being created un-equal.

Just before the election Milliband denied Labour had been overspending. This so terrified the electorate that They rushed out to vote Tory.

ukcarper

michaels wrote: »

Just before the election Milliband denied Labour had been overspending. This so terrified the electorate that They rushed out to vote Tory.

In 2015 over 700,000 more people voted for Labour Party compared to 2010, while just over 600,000 voted Tory.

kinger101

ruggedtoast wrote: »

The reason that they are angry about Jeremy Corbyn is because they are scared of him. Or more precisely they are frightened of the people who support him and what that means for them.

Corbyn could disappear tomorrow and that would make no real difference. Labour isn't going back to becoming a row of nodding dogs that agree with the Tory Party and their backers any time soon.

There is a groundswell of people who fundamentally oppose inequality, unearned privilege, the demonisation of the working class, and the political process designed to perpetuate this. They aren't going to go away, they aren't going to shut up, they don't care about Labour winning the next gerrymandered Murdoch approved election, because they mean to ultimately change the political process.

There are millions of them already and by 2020 and beyond its looking like there will be millions more. One look at the media shows you that it is scaring the bejesus out the Tory owned mainstream and their ideology of all men being created un-equal.

Dyed in the wool Conservative voters aren't likely to be particularly bothered by Corbyn. Many of the people who are worried are traditional Labour voters and swing voters, who feel Corbyn is simply inept, and causes too much division within his own party to form an effective government. And would most certainly ruin the economy with his print and spend policy, and state financing of failing industries at any cost.

At the last general election, I dithered about who I'd vote for. If there were a general election tomorrow, there'd be no question. But it would be unhappy with the lack of choice, as I'm very uncomfortable with many things the tories are doing; I think they intend to eliminate inheritance tax altogether (which I think is the fairest tax) and their housing policies are useless. But Corbyn appeals mostly to a narrow range of twenty-somethings from the middle classes.

I suspect Corbyn will be ousted before the next general election, which will be a good thing, as we do need a Labour party that could be something more than a pressure group to address the issues of inequality and wealth distribution.