Corbynomics: A Dystopia

kinger101

ukcarper wrote: »

In 2015 over 700,000 more people voted for Labour Party compared to 2010, while just over 600,000 voted Tory.

Which is pathetic considering the Lib Dems lost 4.2 M voters. And incumbents (Conservatives) usually lose votes.

Moby

Generali wrote: »

It's an interesting thesis. Here's another one.

Corbynism is just another spin on undergraduate hard left politics which does nothing at all to resolve the problems of the UK as seen by the 'working class' (who actually are increasingly middle class: kids at uni and owning property or at least aspiring to be).

The only thing Mr Corbyn is doing for the Labour Party is hastening its demise. The only reason they get the number of voters they do is because as the second largest party they get a huge amount of money from the state plus guaranteed (by law) access to the media. Oh, and they get huge amounts from state employees who are about the only members left of trades unions.

The working class are abandoning Labour for UKIP who, rightly or wrongly, they feel speaks for them. Once UKIP, who I do not support in any way, reaches a critical mass of starting to make genuine inroads into the Labour vote, Labour will wither on the vine to become an echo of history, rather like the Lib Dems being the remnants of the Liberal Party.

Labour, I am sure, will return a few MPs from some of the northern cities with aging populations. The few left that remember the glory days of Bevan and Atlee. Labour simply aren't relevant any more. The obscure arguments over minutiae of ideological purity from the writings of 19th Century theorists don't mean anything in 21st Century Britain. The fact that Labour has returned one PM in the last 42 years and probably won't have returned a PM except Mr Blair for 51 years by the time of the 2025 General Election tells you all you need to know about the Labour Party.

The UK needs a party of opposition and the closest thing at the moment seems to be the SNP. Labour seem to be more interested in shooting themselves in the foot right now (no pun intended).

You so obviously don't live in the UK!

Generali

Moby wrote: »

You so obviously don't live in the UK!

I live on planet earth which is a good start.

Which bit is wrong BTW?

Mistermeaner

I do and I agree with him.

Tell us Moby; which country would you most like the UK to emulate?

Moby

kinger101 wrote: »

Dyed in the wool Conservative voters aren't likely to be particularly bothered by Corbyn. Many of the people who are worried are traditional Labour voters and swing voters, who feel Corbyn is simply inept, and causes too much division within his own party to form an effective government. And would most certainly ruin the economy with his print and spend policy, and state financing of failing industries at any cost.

At the last general election, I dithered about who I'd vote for. If there were a general election tomorrow, there'd be no question. But it would be unhappy with the lack of choice, as I'm very uncomfortable with many things the tories are doing; I think they intend to eliminate inheritance tax altogether (which I think is the fairest tax) and their housing policies are useless. But Corbyn appeals mostly to a narrow range of twenty-somethings from the middle classes.

I suspect Corbyn will be ousted before the next general election, which will be a good thing, as we do need a Labour party that could be something more than a pressure group to address the issues of inequality and wealth distribution.

You wait until George starts messing around with the 40% tax free allowance on pensions in March. If Brown had done that all hell would have broken loose on here:rotfl:

Moby

Tell us Moby; which country would you most like the UK to emulate

Germany - for progressive industrial relations & lifestyle. France and Italy for food/culture. I also love Costa Rica. Beautiful place for wildlife and photography and the Maldives for diving, my main hobby! To be fair though I love my country and we did come third in that big 'best country' survey in Davos and I like living in London...amazing city!

Thrugelmir

ruggedtoast wrote: »

There is a groundswell of people who fundamentally oppose inequality, unearned privilege, the demonisation of the working class, and the political process designed to perpetuate this. They aren't going to go away, they aren't going to shut up, they don't care about Labour winning the next gerrymandered Murdoch approved election, because they mean to ultimately change the political process.

What's new? Corbyn and his cohorts are the remnants of the previous generation who felt the same way. When Universities were full of Marxists. As people grow older their views often mellow as they grow wiser. Most interest guy I've ever come across was a son of a coal miner. On academic ability was given a bursary to attend Oxford. Admits to be politically a communist at the time. Eventually went onto to become a CEO of a Nasdaq company. Time doesn't stand still. Unfortunately some people do.

kinger101

Moby wrote: »

You wait until George starts messing around with the 40% tax free allowance on pensions in March. If Brown had done that all hell would have broken loose on here:rotfl:

He might well start to restrict this, but if you think it's going to push higher rate tax payers toward voting Corbyn, you're deluded. If the changes are neutral or even slightly positive toward basic rate tax payers, then they might even be regarded as positive by the majority of the electorate who'll never pay 40% tax anyway.

Personally, I think the more they bυgger around pension taxation, the less inclined people will be to put money into a scheme, for fear that future governments will impose additional taxes at some later date.

kinger101

Moby wrote: »

Germany - for progressive industrial relations & lifestyle. France and Italy for food/culture. I also love Costa Rica. Beautiful place for wildlife and photography and the Maldives for diving, my main hobby! To be fair though I love my country and we did come third in that big 'best country' survey in Davos and I like living in London...amazing city!

The UK is an excellent place for food, culture and diving. In fact, London must be one of the best places in the world for food and culture.

Thrugelmir

kinger101 wrote: »

Personally, I think the more they bυgger around pension taxation, the less inclined people will be to put money into a scheme, for fear that future governments will impose additional taxes at some later date.

All further moves to simplify the rules are welcomed. Why should a small % of people benefit from the current rules. Agree that a such to move to say a flat rate 30% would be politically clever for GO. As would benefit the middle class. The ground where elections are won and lost. As people vote from a personal rather than political perspective.