Corbynomics: A Dystopia

chris_m

antrobus wrote: »

That would seem to be rather a pointless exercise.

Why? If voting was compulsory we'd be more likely to get a government that was truly representative of the people - rather than, as often happens after an election, long arguments over how the winner didn't really get a majority because the turnout was low.

It's already quite straightforward for people to indicate "their choice not to vote" by simply not voting.

The problem is that that not only includes those who choose not to vote for whatever reason (maybe they don't agree with any of the candidates/parties) but it also includes those who simply can't be bothered - and there is no way to tell which is which.
If people "had" to vote, I wonder how many of the otherwise non-voters would actually go for "none of the above" once at the voting booth?

Mistermeaner

chris_m wrote: »

rather than, as often happens after an election, long arguments over how the winner didn't really get a majority because the turnout was low.
?

admittedly im only in my mid thirties but I dont ever recall long arguments about who won?

Thrugelmir

antrobus wrote: »

The PLP is not going to make the same mistake again.

The PLP are the activists. No way do they want a Blairite in power. The Unions still wield far too much influence in matters at local level. Going to take a seismic change to reform the Labour party into something fit for the 21st Century. That the UK's middle class feel comfortable in electing into office. Blair tried and failed. I'm not convinced David Milliband is the guy to take this challenge on after the leadership election debacle.

Generali

Mistermeaner wrote: »

admittedly im only in my mid thirties but I dont ever recall long arguments about who won?

It's the sort of thing that the hard left use to justify defeat traditionally: we didn't win but neither did the winner really as they only got 4% of all the adults in the world voting for them or some such twaddle.

antrobus

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The PLP are the activists. No way do they want a Blairite in power. The Unions still wield far too much influence in matters at local level. Going to take a seismic change to reform the Labour party into something fit for the 21st Century. That the UK's middle class feel comfortable in electing into office. Blair tried and failed....

No, the PLP is the Parliamentary Labour Party, i.e. the MPs, and not the activists.

Thrugelmir wrote: »

.... I'm not convinced David Milliband is the guy to take this challenge on after the leadership election debacle.

Neither am I. He is not even a MP anymore.

antrobus

chris_m wrote: »

Why? If voting was compulsory we'd be more likely to get a government that was truly representative of the people - rather than, as often happens after an election, long arguments over how the winner didn't really get a majority because the turnout was low....

What difference would it make if 16 million odd people were obliged to put their cross in a box marked 'Don't Know' as opposed to just sitting at home and saying 'I don't know'? You would get exactly the same government.

Besides, voting is compulsory in Greece, and yet turnout in both of their general elections this year was lower that in the UK election. Making something 'compulsory' doesn't necessarily mean that people will take any notice.

People only take notice if they are penalties for non-compliance. What are you going to do to non-voters? Lock 'em up?

chris_m wrote: »

...The problem is that that not only includes those who choose not to vote for whatever reason (maybe they don't agree with any of the candidates/parties) but it also includes those who simply can't be bothered - and there is no way to tell which is which. ....

Why does it matter which is which? Unless you are a politician or a psephologist of course.:)

chris_m wrote: »

....If people "had" to vote, I wonder how many of the otherwise non-voters would actually go for "none of the above" once at the voting booth?

If people had to vote, it is likely that they would vote for whichever party promised to repeal the compulsory voting requirement.:)

antrobus

Mistermeaner wrote: »

admittedly im only in my mid thirties but I dont ever recall long arguments about who won?

The general rule is this;

when the Labour Party wins a general election it means that they now have a mandate to transform society,

when the Conservative Party wins a general election it is only because we have a dysfunctional electoral system.

Therefore, whenever the Conservative Party does win a general election, there is an argument about how to reform our dysfunctional electoral system in order to ensure that we get a different result next time.

CLAPTON

antrobus wrote: »

What difference would it make if 16 million odd people were obliged to put their cross in a box marked 'Don't Know' as opposed to just sitting at home and saying 'I don't know'? You would get exactly the same government.

Besides, voting is compulsory in Greece, and yet turnout in both of their general elections this year was lower that in the UK election. Making something 'compulsory' doesn't necessarily mean that people will take any notice.

People only take notice if they are penalties for non-compliance. What are you going to do to non-voters? Lock 'em up?



Why does it matter which is which? Unless you are a politician or a psephologist of course.:)



If people had to vote, it is likely that they would vote for whichever party promised to repeal the compulsory voting requirement.:)

give all actual voters £100 bonus

setmefree2

antrobus wrote: »

The Cobytrons need time to take control of the party machine, and time to change the composition of the PLP. Thus they will persist, irrespective of minor little issues such as losing elections.:)

The UK needs a new party.

The Labour Party has now been taken over by a bunch of nutters like the following.

Comment: Why I am stepping down from Left Unity to join Labour

The former principal speaker of Left Unity on why it would be irresponsible not to support Jeremy Corbyn

http://leftfootforward.org/2015/11/comment-why-i-am-stepping-down-as-left-unity-principal-speaker-to-join-labour/

I don't know how the "sensible" Labour Party members allowed this to happen but you have been overrun.

Labour got wiped out in last election, and the scale of the task it now faces if the party ever wants to form a government again is massive. Labour now controls just 232 seats to the Tories' 331. If it carries on like this what will that gap be like in 2020?

setmefree2

Ken Livingstone says terrorists 'gave their lives in protest against our invasion of Iraq' on Question Time

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/ken-livingstone-says-terrorists-gave-their-lives-in-protest-against-our-invasion-of-iraq-on-question-a6750836.html

There are no words......I can use .....that wouldn't get me a PPR....

The man that stood shoulder to shoulder with Londoners trashed his legacy on Thursday night....

and showed us what we knew already that the Labour left are all for the terrorist and against the man in the street....