Corbynomics: A Dystopia

michaels

Out,_Vile_Jelly wrote: »

It's silly to deny that war in Iraq wasn't a contributing factor in the actions of the 2005 bombers; it's just as silly to come out with blunt statements like Livingstone.

Just like the twin towers attack in 2001 was in response to the US invasion of Iraq in 2003?

Jason74

Well, we saw a great piece of leadership from a senior Labour figure tonight. Sadly though, it wasn't from the leader. Wonder whether Benn Junior has just put himself in contention for next leader once Corbyn is eventually ousted.

Rinoa

Jason74 wrote: »

Well, we saw a great piece of leadership from a senior Labour figure tonight. Sadly though, it wasn't from the leader. Wonder whether Benn Junior has just put himself in contention for next leader once Corbyn is eventually ousted.

Brilliant speech, applauded by all sides. Worth a look for anyone who missed it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34990957

michaels

Am I the only one who thinks we should be intervening not because of any threat or otherwise to the UK but because ISIS are committing genocide and worse (and yes I think there is worse than genocide) against everyone in their region of influence who does not share their very restrictive religious dogma.

cells

one side needs to dominate the other for there to be 'peace' which means one side is going to have to kill a hell of a lot of the other side. Its even worse than that as its not two sides and even the winning side will likely fracture into different groups which will kill each other until one of the two remains.

unless an outside force goes in and occupies the land and holds it for 50 years to stop each side killing each other until its mostly a distant memory how can it end well?

maybe the Germans should take in 90% of Syria and what is left can be carpet bombed

Generali

cells wrote: »

one side needs to dominate the other for there to be 'peace' which means one side is going to have to kill a hell of a lot of the other side. Its even worse than that as its not two sides and even the winning side will likely fracture into different groups which will kill each other until one of the two remains.

unless an outside force goes in and occupies the land and holds it for 50 years to stop each side killing each other until its mostly a distant memory how can it end well?

maybe the Germans should take in 90% of Syria and what is left can be carpet bombed

Not necessarily. Just because they profess to support this ridiculous dogma doesn't mean they actually do. Defeating and capturing or killing the leadership may well be enough to put much of the rest off.

What needs to happen is to get these states actually working, getting economies going, kids into school, democratic governments and systems, security. Nobody wants to live in a failed state. Somebody needs to win the war and get a proper system of governance in place.

antrobus

Rinoa wrote: »

Brilliant speech, applauded by all sides. Worth a look for anyone who missed it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34990957

Hilary Benn's odds on being the next Labour leader seem to have shortened considerably.

http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-labour-leader

Mistermeaner

antrobus wrote: »

Hilary Benn's odds on being the next Labour leader seem to have shortened considerably.

http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-labour-leader

Because of one passionate speech on a niche issue which has little to do with the running of the country in which he took a position that lots of people on all sides are against.

Politics is a fickle game.

antrobus

Mistermeaner wrote: »

Because of one passionate speech on a niche issue which has little to do with the running of the country....

I'm not convinced that fighting fascism is a 'niche issue'.

Mistermeaner wrote: »

...in which he took a position that lots of people on all sides are against......

But one which 60% of the UK's voters support.

Mistermeaner wrote: »

...Politics is a fickle game.

Life is a fickle game. Politics is no different.

chris_m

Jason74 wrote: »

Well, we saw a great piece of leadership from a senior Labour figure tonight. Sadly though, it wasn't from the leader. Wonder whether Benn Junior has just put himself in contention for next leader once Corbyn is eventually ousted.

There were also excellent speeches by Yvette Cooper, Alan Johnson and Margaret Beckett - two of whom I've never had any time for, and the other not a lot, in the past.

One thing that did impress me about the debate was how well the House behaved throughout. There were very few occasions when Mr Speaker had to pull Members up.