5 UKPC parking tickets on my motorbike outside my house up on the curb

Kevok6

Hi all,
I have what I think is a new situation to this forum...

A bit of background;
I am renting a "duplex" as they call it. I live in the top two floors of a 3 floor building. There are loads of similar "duplexes" beside each other which have a shared and privately owned (electric gates and all) carpark. The carpark is ran by UKPC. Each of the houses has 1 parking spot allocated to it. The spot for my house is currently used by my house mate so therefore I haven't been able to buy a car because I have nowhere to park (there is no free local parking that we can park a car long term).

I bought a motorbike thinking I could park it up on the curb so it won't take up a spot. There are loads of signs around explaining fines etc for parking outside parking bays but I assumed that this would not apply to a motorbike on the curb (with some common decency it wouldn't, but obviously these guys don't care). I should explain that my motorbike is parked up beside the front door to 4 duplexes, the 3 others of which are not occupied). It is next to a bush and well out of anyone's way.

So, I went on holiday for 2 weeks and came home to 4 parking tickets crammed into one of those yellow packets which was just left on the back of my bike. I appealed online on their website without looking at this extremely helpful forum so I think I made the mistake of saying "my bike". It came back today saying that the tickets were correctly issued... And on the same day I got a fifth parking ticket!

The main issue with my situation is that it is not a one off offence like most others have on here and I do not intend on moving my bike from my usual parking location. It is currently almost hidden in a gated carpark so less prone to being stolen (common motorbike issue). Before reading this I was going to just ignore them from now on and see what they do but maybe this isn't the wisest choice because I can see them putting a lot of effort to screw me over if I accumulate a lot of tickets.

I got a POPLA reference number with my rejected appeal letter.

Does anyone have any idea what I should do?
Any help is greatly appreciated!!

Cheers :beer:
Kevin

enfield_freddy

no the car park is run by yourselves and the management company , not a 2 bit parking company, the scum are supposed to be working for the company , not antagonising residents


and its not a fine , its a speculative invoice begging for money




as you have received multiple tickets , have you received multiple POPLa codes ?

Quentin

Irrespective of what you see as "a new situation" you need to follow the advice in the newbies faq thread towards the top of the forum and dispute each invoice you have got separately.


Don't tell them who was the rider!

Coupon-mad

You've got a POPLA code so register online your intent to appeal to POPLA (new system) and get reading all the zillions of other threads with POPLA wording examples, start building your POPLA appeal.

Soooo many to choose from on here, start searching the forum for POPLA appeals about UKPC. Try obvious search keywords like 'UKPC POPLA' in the 'search this forum' heading when back on page one.

As for the other PCNs, appeal them all but play the game properly by waiting till day 25 and using the NEWBIES THREAD template for those ones. Appeal online to UKPC for them all (not by letter), don't add anything to the template and be careful to choose 'registered keeper' and check that again before you submit the appeal (UKPC's system defaults back to show 'driver' at the drop of a hat if you have to resubmit any detail).

The point of waiting till day 25 is to string it out and make them reply to the appeal and forget to send you a Notice to keeper. Then at POPLA stage (once past day 57, making it too late for UKPC) you can confidently argue 'no keeper liability - they forgot to send me a NTK.'

The words 'my bike' are fine as a keeper but not 'I parked' so I hope you wrote the appeal well enough to have avoided naming the rider. even if you did in the first one, still use the NEWBIES thread template and be 'the keeper' in the later PCNs.






PS - A little eeeeek about 'curb'. Curb is American or a verb used in phrases like 'curb your enthusiasm'.
You mean 'kerb' (not that the word 'kerb' will feature in a decent POPLA appeal because it's not about what happened).

Herzlos

You should get a POPLA code for each invoice you appeal, which you should then use (you need to register your intention as the POPLA system is transferring to a new company), and it'll cost them about £27/ticket. Eventually they'll white-list you because it'll be costing them too much, and the "warden" won't get any comission for your unpaid invoices.

As it's POPLA, you should be successful for each invoice if you use the newbies guide. You can use exactly the same appeal text for each one.

You should also complain to your landlord and letting agent to get them to cancel them and whitelist you.

nigelbb

Just an aside but it's almost a certainty that the RK of a motorbike is the person who parked it. People simply do not lend & share motorbikes as they do with cars.

ampersand

nigelbb wrote: »

Just an aside but it's almost a certainty that the RK of a motorbike is the person who parked it. People simply do not lend & share motorbikes as they do with cars.

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As you say, nbb, that's an aside, but what's in bold is irrelevant when challenging parking events,
I wouldn't like kevok6 or future seekers to think it had any bearing at all.

op: Use 3rd person throughout, in all comms relating to any private parking event - and remember you are costing this scumpany money for each of your 5 appeals :-)
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kev - sounds as if you're already jumping through hoops via mismanagement/ill-thought design anyway, in that your choice of transport is being determineded by parking space issues,despite vacant living spaces around you.
Any chance of calling a residents' meeting? leafleting?
Another mser is doing so to great effect, with other residents coming to his thread and all co-operating in refusal to comply.
I'l try and link it here.
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Found it - JBak
Mass PCN's from VCS in Sheffield

Marktheshark

I would look for somewhere else to live.
You simply dont need this crap to deal with when paying rent

Herzlos

nigelbb wrote: »

Just an aside but it's almost a certainty that the RK of a motorbike is the person who parked it. People simply do not lend & share motorbikes as they do with cars.

Not enough of a certainty to get round POFA2012 and keeper liability.

Especially with bikes - who's to say it was driven there, and not dropped off by a delivery van, or pushed there by someone other than the RK?

Sure, statistically, the RK is most likely to be the driver, and more so than with cars, but no assumption can actually be made.

Kevok6

All, thanks a million for all of your responses. It has been a great help and I'm certainly not backing down from this one.

I should add that the first time I appealed, I included all 4 of the first tickets in one appeal and this is the appeal that I had rejected. When I got my fifth ticket I appealed again telling to add it to the other list of tickets. As I only got one rejection letter for the first 4 tickets, I only have one POPLA code for the 4. I am expecting to get another rejection letter for the fifth ticket in the next 2 weeks so.

I also got another ticket this morning making it 6 and counting so far.
I will take another look at the POPLA for newbies thread and take the template from it ready to send on in 24 days. Thanks folks.

Coupon-mad: thanks for the spelling correction, more annoyed about my mistake there than the parking tickets!

Marktheshark: it's not that easy moving out unfortunately, the place is actually quite nice and since I'm living with friends who don't want to move. It would feel like defeat moving out because of a parking warden!!

Thanks again everyone! Unsung heroes the lot of ya's!!

Kevin

Umkomaas

You need to get separate POPLA codes for each of those 4 tickets - POPLA (nor I suspect the new Ombudsman Service) won't deal with multi-tickets in one appeal.

Depending on the dates of the tickets (if you're still within the UKPC timescale for appeal for each), either:

1. Appeal each one individually using the initial appeal template in the newbies sticky, or if out of appeal time

2. Write and ask them that as you've submitted an appeal for 4 tickets why you've not been provided with 4 separate POPLA codes, and for them to now supply them? If you get a negative reply, time to complain to the BPA and DVLA.