prosecution for doing 60 in a 60 zone

Rover_Driver

Nessun_Dorma wrote: »

What is the GVM (gross vehicle mass/weight), it is significant. If the van's weight is over two tonnes, the speed limits ten miles per hour less than for cars on single and dual carriageways.

The lower speed limit applies to all goods vehicles (any weight), except car derived vans.

Nessun_Dorma

Rover_Driver wrote: »

The lower speed limit applies to all goods vehicles (any weight), except car derived vans.

Car derived vans are classed as goods vehicle of less than two tonnes.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/car-derived-vans-and-dual-purpose-vehicles/car-derived-vans-and-dual-purpose-vehicles

Rover_Driver

Nessun_Dorma wrote: »

Car derived vans are classed as goods vehicle of less than two tonnes.
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Car derived vans are goods vehicles that are a derivative of a passenger vehicle. If they are not more than 2 tonnes they are not subject to the lower speed limit.

All other goods vehicles - whatever weight, and car derived vans over 2 tonnes are subject to the lower limit.

Iceweasel

Nessun_Dorma wrote: »

Car derived vans are classed as goods vehicle of less than two tonnes.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/car-derived-vans-and-dual-purpose-vehicles/car-derived-vans-and-dual-purpose-vehicles

There is also the problem that many 'Dual-Purpose' vehicles may look like a 'van with side windows' to those who don't know/understand the difference.

That includes some police officers.

IamNotAllowedToUseMyName

My BiL has a van conversion, and a table in the rear has been enough to qualify to drive it as a car.

facade

A "Car derived van" looks like a car from the side, but has opaque rear side windows, no rear seats, and a payload area in the rear.

examples: clio van, corsa van, fiesta van

I believe the V5 will indicate car derived van as the body type, but I've never owned one.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/car-derived-vans-and-dual-purpose-vehicles/car-derived-vans-and-dual-purpose-vehicles

IamNotAllowedToUseMyName

facade wrote: »

A "Car derived van" looks like a car from the side, but has opaque rear side windows, no rear seats, and a payload area in the rear.

examples: clio van, corsa van, fiesta van

I believe the V5 will indicate car derived van as the body type, but I've never owned one.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/car-derived-vans-and-dual-purpose-vehicles/car-derived-vans-and-dual-purpose-vehicles

The 2 tonne cut off means that the old Astra estate van was about the largest car derived van going, but on modern cars I think that they struggle to meet the weight limit, so you really are looking at the smaller models now (although they've got bigger). It is worth noting that the Ford Connect is not a car derived van though you might think it would be small enough to qualify so needs to be driven to van speed limits.

glentoran99

Strider590 wrote: »

Where'd you get this non-sense?

The national speed limit is 70 on any road where the opposing lanes are physically separated. EVEN if there's only one lane in each direction.

Boils my blood when the idiot in front slams on the brakes to pass a speed camera in a 70 limit...... Unless they're in lane one, in which case I just laugh as I plough on through at 70 (76 on my speedo).

OP has been had by a jobsworth in a scamera van, they have targets to meet and I bet they make a lot of money this way from van drivers.

how do you know your speedo is wrong?

Paradigm

Rover_Driver wrote: »

Car derived vans are goods vehicles that are a derivative of a passenger vehicle. If they are not more than 2 tonnes they are not subject to the lower speed limit.

It's time this archaic lower speed limit was revised for all vehicles up to 3.5 tonnes.
Now that the HGV limit on single carriageways has been raised to 50mph it's a complete farce that a VW Caddy van (GVW 2200 ish kg) is restricted to the same limit as a 44 tonne artic!


The VW Caddys we have at work are based on the VW Touran & have ESC, ABS, Traction control, mostly the same engines & very similar GVW (it's a car derived van!) yet the Touran is classed as a car & subject to the higher speed limits.... utter nonsense IMO.

AdrianC

Paradigm wrote: »

it's a complete farce that a VW Caddy van (GVW 2200 ish kg) is restricted to the same limit as a 44 tonne artic!

They aren't. 7.5t+ have a different set of limits. Some might be the same, not all are.

OK, so move that 2t CDV limit to all 3.5t. That would bring LWB high-top Sprinters into the same category as that Caddy.
Realistically, there's got to be a line between cars and big vans. Where? Wherever it is, somebody just on the other side is always going to complain it's in the wrong place.

The VW Caddys we have at work

A decision whoever purchased them made in full knowledge of the lower limits. The drivers drive them in full knowledge of the lower limits. Or, rather, should do.

Do you, by any chance, have an SP10 you'd like to make public at this point?

The VW Caddys we have at work are based on the VW Touran

Irrelevant as to whether it's a CDV or not - it's over the 2t weight limit.

utter nonsense IMO.

So why not use a Touran for your business use?
Or put windows, a table, a cooker and a cupboard in - then get it re-registered as a camper, and it'll be on the car limits.

Whatever the logic may or may not be, the van was bought in the full knowledge of it being a van and the implications of that.