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vouchercrazy

Tinyshoes wrote: »

You are not bringing the thread down. Does sound like your boss is in a very hard position emotionally. It might be worth you looking at new jobs you never know what might be out there if you don't and no harm done just looking.

Not sure the best step forward with regards to your current job, if it is affecting your health could you not get signed off by your GP for short while it would give you some breathing space to think. xx

Thank you I have tried, life can be so hard sometime. thank you for your help

vouchercrazy

vanilla_twist wrote: »

Voucher crazy sorry to hear you are having problems.
My personal view (and it is just that) you work in an extremely professional role and your boss, as a fellow professional, should not have put you in this position.
If your contract doesn't mention training and mentoring then don't do it.
If you feel loyalty to a nice boss then explain it like that. If he wishes to train his step daughter he needs to send her to collage or downgrade her to receptionist.

ACAS are right, you do have a case but maybe you could tell your boss you are not training anymore first as not your role. If he doesn't accept this then go down the ACAS route.

Yes he could close his business but that wouldn't keep his step daughter employed and you could take over his clients.

I do hope you find a solution.

Quiet here at the moment. Need a nice global glitch to keep me amused.

V x

Thank you VT

fairclaire

vouchercrazy wrote: »

Good evening everyone
I need some Elite advice regarding a work situation, I have spoken to ACAS and they have advised me to take my boss to court , but I do not want to go down that route as I know my boss is between a rock and a hard place. His wife and step daughter both suffer from depression and are both on the same medication
We work in the accountancy industry, me 30 odd years my boss over 40 years, my boss took on his step daughter because she could not find any other work, for the last four years ,we have tried teaching her but she plays on her depression , believe me she is not daft or uneducated, it has now gotten to a point where I am totally running the practice on my own, while I see each day his step daughter totally taking the Mick out of my boss and her mother, I have brought this to the attention of my boss but he has been told by his step daughter and her mother it is a conflict of personalities, which it is not at all, my boss has threatened me that if we do not get along then he will close the business and I will be out of a job but he still wants me to teach his step daughter, this is now effecting my health as I am so stressed and my hair is falling out , I have shorten the situation because if I write everything that has been going on we will still here in a couple of months My oh has said look for another job but when you get to my age jobs are few and far between I need help but do not know where turn
Sorry for bring the thread down

Oh dear VC I was just looking at the last page before going to bed. I've been out at a school thing all night and just got back to work today but didn't want to read and run.

Firstly have a hug. what a poopy situation!

I'm very surprised at ACAS advising you take your boss to court. It's hard with the limited info you've posted (that's ok.....you're stressed) but an employment tribunal is the most stressful of things in the best of situations. I feel with you working in a family business this might be more so.
I imagine you are the most loyal of long term employees, but if you come up against a family and their business in court......the reality is they will probably close ranks. If it's a small business then you have no one to back you up.

If I'm honest your boss sounds like he had a very big thumb print on his forehead trust me my love it'll take more than ACAS and a tribunal to get rid of that!

I'm not for a moment saying it isn't totally unfair but yoi need to weigh up if it's really worth a fight (which you have no guarantee of winning by a long chalk) which might cause you more stress.....which you sound like you need like a hole in the head.

I know looking for a new job isn't easy and I don't know what age you are? But if you've been in a job for a long time it must be frightening to think of changing anything.

That in no way constitutes advice from me I'm reduced to having to say that disclaimer because I was reported for giving legal advice (I'm a lawyer :rotfl:) just friendly observations

Good luck whatever you find yourself doing. Life has a habit of sending brown stuff upon us when we least need it :A

mrsmac10

vouchercrazy wrote: »

Good evening everyone
I need some Elite advice regarding a work situation, I have spoken to ACAS and they have advised me to take my boss to court , but I do not want to go down that route as I know my boss is between a rock and a hard place. His wife and step daughter both suffer from depression and are both on the same medication
We work in the accountancy industry, me 30 odd years my boss over 40 years, my boss took on his step daughter because she could not find any other work, for the last four years ,we have tried teaching her but she plays on her depression , believe me she is not daft or uneducated, it has now gotten to a point where I am totally running the practice on my own, while I see each day his step daughter totally taking the Mick out of my boss and her mother, I have brought this to the attention of my boss but he has been told by his step daughter and her mother it is a conflict of personalities, which it is not at all, my boss has threatened me that if we do not get along then he will close the business and I will be out of a job but he still wants me to teach his step daughter, this is now effecting my health as I am so stressed and my hair is falling out , I have shorten the situation because if I write everything that has been going on we will still here in a couple of months My oh has said look for another job but when you get to my age jobs are few and far between I need help but do not know where turn
Sorry for bring the thread down

I am wide awke. So will post a reply.

You are not bringing the thread down. It is the most marvellous place to get a balanced view. ACAS do mediation but it's not cheap. Check if you have legal protection on your house insurance in case you do decide to take legal action. It's not easy emotionally either
Personally I would take a break either sick or holiday and look for a new job.

I got one. I am 61. And my experience did count. But I was also l lucky that I knew I would get by if I did not find work. It will be different if you need the full salary but your health must come first. Life is too short. Take and keep us posted. X

fairclaire

mrsmac10 wrote: »

I am wide awke. So will post a reply.

You are not bringing the thread down. It is the most marvellous place to get a balanced view. ACAS do mediation but it's not cheap. Check if you have legal protection on your house insurance in case you do decide to take legal action. It's not easy emotionally either
Personally I would take a break either sick or holiday and look for a new job.

I got one. I am 61. And my experience did count. But I was also l lucky that I knew I would get by if I did not find work. It will be different if you need the full salary but your health must come first. Life is too short. Take and keep us posted. X

:eek:I'm obviously out of the loop ACAS don't offer free mediation anymore? that's really sad.

glad you got sorted Mrs M. I'm helping a friend of a friend through an employment tribunal right now as it happens. They (the employer) took someone on through a guaranteed interview disability scheme (little known but you get a government subsidy for providing this).......and are now dismissing him for a disability......they claim he never knew he had. Ho hum. Easy pickings

I will add I'm not getting paid in anything other than satisfaction

fairclaire

I will admit to not posting during the debate about students tonight.

I worked hard for every qualification I have. I've had a variety of jobs over the years. The worst of which was (you know those elastic things on chickens legs when you buy a fresh chicken?) Well I spent a winter holiday wrapping those elastic things round chickens legs and then shoving both legs up tHe chickens bums

There's no entitlement to get a qualification and have anyone pay for it. What we all do is important.

I think Monkey mom realised she needed to start a uni fund? yes you do. I have spent my whole working life making sure my kids will be funded for their education. I sent to them to good schools, I have no expectactions of them (I won't die if they don't achieve them) I just strive to provide the best chance I can

Start saving monkey mom! :eek: my DD is 17 next week and has been reminding me I provided DS1 with a new car to drive I like to treat all my kids equally and have made a very expensive rod for my back

mrsmac10

fairclaire wrote: »

:eek:I'm obviously out of the loop ACAS don't offer free mediation anymore? that's really sad.

glad you got sorted Mrs M. I'm helping a friend of a friend through an employment tribunal right now as it happens. They (the employer) took someone on through a guaranteed interview disability scheme (little known but you get a government subsidy for providing this).......and are now dismissing him for a disabilityill ......they claim he never knew he had. Ho hum. Easy pickings

I will add I'm not getting paid in anything other than satisfaction

Hi. I am not so clued up as you but I belive if you are still in the employment then there is a fee for proper face to face mediation I thought the course was fantastic. We argued over ownership of an orange. :rotfl: I wanted to win. They do offer mediation of sorts if you are intending to bring a claim but in my case it was just a few emails.and resolved by me as boss would not respond I got a certificate at the end proving I have gone down the right route

silvercar

My take on university education:

It is hard that students have to take on massive debt to fund their time at university. Remember they only pay back when they are earning over £21,000 and whatever the size of the debt they pay back the same amount. So today's budget announcement that all grants would go means that they will have the same amount of money to live off as a student but that it will all be a loan not a grant. (As previously some of the total loan entitlement was given as a grant to low income families.) So whether the total loan was around 20k (pre-2012) or 40k (post 2012) they still pay 9% of their earnings above 21k. Even if some parents were able to afford to help their offspring out so they took a loan only for the fees, they still pay the 9% of earnings above 21k.
No or low earnings means no payback, the debt remains until eventually getting written off.

What is a real struggle for students is that the loan (or loan + grant) isn't enough to pay rent and bills and food and transport etc. That is the real problem, that without a part time job and help from family, a student doesn't have enough money to survive at university. This is what needs to be addressed, that the poorest families get enough support that students can actually go to university. That the loans are enough to support a student at uni.

fairclaire

mrsmac10 wrote: »

Hi. I am not so clued up as you but I belive if you are still in the employment then there is a fee for proper face to face mediation I thought the course was fantastic. We argued over ownership of an orange. :rotfl: I wanted to win. They do offer mediation of sorts if you are intending to bring a claim but in my case it was just a few emails.and resolved by me as boss would not respond I got a certificate at the end proving I have gone down the right route

Oh Mrs Mac I tbink you have been ver lucky and have landed on your feet. I guess your also a bit feisty when pushed which is no bad way to be

I'm a bit further down the line with an employer who (has quite rightly) found they can't employ the employee anymore
What I'm trying to achieve is that these employes don't employ these people if they can't sustain them. plodding

WishI'dReadSooner

Call_of_Trouty wrote: »

JC Hargreaves says:
Any author is entitled to write piece of fiction that may be an abuse of science even to the extent of it being simply being scientifically wrong. Where waters become murkier is when a work of fiction is being used as propaganda to advocate or advance as TRUE a particular point of view that scientifically discredited.

I think this the same Stephen Davis who routinely classed as as an AIDS denialist. AIDS denialism is the view held by a loosely connected group of people and organizations who deny that the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) is the cause of acquired immune deficiency syndrome (AIDS). Some denialists reject the existence of HIV, while others accept that HIV exists but say that it is a harmless passenger virus and not the cause of AIDS. Insofar as denialists acknowledge AIDS as a real disease, they attribute it to some combination of sexual behavior, recreational drugs, malnutrition, poor sanitation, hemophilia, or the effects of the drugs used to treat HIV infection. 9Wiki)

Meanwhile another site remarked that "Stephen Davis, a former US Army "Physician's Assistant" is the author of a novel that also claims to be "the true story of how government lies and incompetence, gross medical malpractice, and unbridled greed by a drug company cost 300,000 American lives in just ten years". Like most AIDS denialists, he is not a scientist and prefers his own websites to peer-reviewed journals for the dissemination of his crackpot theories. His own website has a bio that exposes his lack of appropriate medical and scientific expertise."

I have no intention of reviving this debate on AIDS. And it may be this is a gripping work of courtroom drama, but it is worth sounding a note of caution to be very careful to accept any part of as scientifically correct. As one journal noted;

"Because these denialist assertions are made in books and on the Internet rather than in the scientific literature, many scientists are either unaware of the existence of organized denial groups, or believe they can safely ignore them as the discredited fringe. And indeed, most of the HIV deniers' arguments were answered long ago by scientists. However, many members of the general public do not have the scientific background to critique the assertions put forth by these groups, and not only accept them but continue to propagate them".


Just wondering, do you get through a lot of tinfoil ?





:rotfl:

No tinfoil here!
That's a trifle insulting to say the least. Having worked for a major pharmaceutical & seen first hand what they get up to (just for the almighty dollar) then you can deny all you want BUT you can also google and make you're own mind up as to what is correct or not.

This is a cracking 'work of fiction' but if you google you'll be amazed that a very high proportion of this is true. I've actually been amazed, having spent most of last night googling. There are very, very few books that make me do that.

I was even more amazed when I told hubby he needs to read this & he told me he already knew about all this as he'd had long discussions into the night many, many years ago about this with his mothers' friend who was a medical advisor to the government at the time. The friend was totally disgusted it was going on.

It's yet another 'Monsanto style' controversy that the government, the companies and individuals will do anything to discredit. Instead of just repeating what someone, who may very well have their own agenda, or be paid to write, writes then I suggest you do your own research and be astounded/shocked.

If anyone wants to read a book that is a very good read and that also makes you question, if you have a brain, then I'd suggest reading this. Don't rely on one persons review - (mine or someone elses's) who may have their own agenda.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Are-You-Positive-Stephen-Davis-ebook/dp/B0047DX1F2/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top