Children Limit:

missbiggles1

burlington6 wrote: »

You've done your job wrong then

For the very first time, I agree with you.:o

missbiggles1

missapril75 wrote: »

They certainly have. Student grants have long gone and loans instead obviously mean debts.

The "job for life" - with moderate pay - has gone. Zero hour contracts; longer benefit sanction periods and no payment at all as opposed to the 20% or 40% reduction of old for 6 weeks; sanctions for things that would never be sanctioned previously; longer periods between spells of employment; benefit cuts; benefit denials etc

Obviously today's "children" in their 20s and 30s, even 40s, are more likely to need some additional level of support that "yesterday's" didn't need.

All the negative aspects of working life that you list are equally applicable to the parents themselves.


No decent (or decently brought up) adult expects their parents to subsidise them, except in the most extreme of emergencies.

zagfles

missapril75 wrote: »

They certainly have. Student grants have long gone and loans instead obviously mean debts.

Err, really? I suggest your facts on that. Try Martin's guide to start...section 13: http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/students/student-loans-tuition-fees-changes

The "job for life" - with moderate pay - has gone. Zero hour contracts; longer benefit sanction periods and no payment at all as opposed to the 20% or 40% reduction of old for 6 weeks; sanctions for things that would never be sanctioned previously; longer periods between spells of employment; benefit cuts; benefit denials etc

Yet even after the predicted cuts to come, we're still going to be spending the same % of GDP on welfare as we did a generation ago
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-33009399

missapril75

missbiggles1 wrote: »

All the negative aspects of working life that you list are equally applicable to the parents themselves.

Partly true. Today's parents of older offspring are much less likely to have started out with debts from student loans and will have suffered far less from extended periods between employment and will not have suffered the disallowances and other benefit cuts because they were never as bad a couple of decades ago as they are now.

Not to mention house prices that made them affordable when today's parents of older offspring were younger.

No decent (or decently brought up) adult expects their parents to subsidise them, except in the most extreme of emergencies.

Sadly there are more situations today where people need assistance than used to be the case. One only has to see the vast increase in food bank use to see that.

missapril75

Student grants have long gone and loans instead obviously mean debts.

zagfles wrote: »

Err, really? I suggest your facts on that. Try Martin's guide to start...section 13:

Perhaps you're a bit young to remember when student grants were universal. For everyone, not just a small minority. Plus benefits were available to all students. Claims in the vacations could be made - all students and assistance towards rent costs was year round. All students. Those days are long gone.

That's why students will have debts now that they didn't have previously. You can exaggerate or underplay the debts but the fact is they needn't have existed previously because grants and benefits used to fund students and now it's mostly loans. That means debts in any language.

micky2phones

Not really this topic, but theres a early morning chat host, who asks a lot of the time to the single lady.
" Why did you have a child with him if you knew he was like that "
" I loved him "
Im waiting for the day when he says its for the extra money and a place to live

zagfles

missapril75 wrote: »

Perhaps you're a bit young to remember when student grants were universal.

Oh, just admit you were wrong. You said they were long gone, not that they weren't now universal.

For everyone, not just a small minority.

Those earning under £42k are a "small minority" are they? Really?

That's why students will have debts now that they didn't have previously. You can exaggerate or underplay the debts but the fact is they needn't have existed previously because grants and benefits used to fund students and now it's mostly loans. That means debts in any language.

I'm not underplaying anything. I'm correcting your misinformation. If you want to make a point, start by getting your facts right.

missapril75

zagfles wrote: »

Oh, just admit you were wrong. You said they were long gone, not that they weren't now universal.

Most people understand student grants as things students used to get. Or, most people of a certain age, anyway. Whether you want to use the word universal or not. See, when they existed, they were not called universal because it was understood students got them. Ergo, student grants.

L-o-n-g gone.

I should obviously remember to better describe them in future for the pedants out there.

And by small minority I meant lone parents and disabled. That's a minority of students.

SkyeKnight

DKLS wrote: »

Would be nice if they limited it to one child, but that won't happen, I don't see why the govt should pay towards the upkeep of a lifestyle choice.

If you can't afford them keep your pants on.

That would mean no-one could afford more than one child. I would never have more than one child in those circumstances, never mind my and my husband's income. What if you lost your job or suffered serious injury or illness? Do you just watch your second child starve? I and any other truly responsible person would have to limit our family to one child - I'm not sure it would effect the irresponsible so much, but heh, that's who we want to have loads of children, isn't it?

zagfles

missapril75 wrote: »

Most people understand student grants as things students used to get. Or, most people of a certain age, anyway. Whether you want to use the word universal or not. See, when they existed, they were not called universal because it was understood students got them. Ergo, student grants.

L-o-n-g gone.

I should obviously remember to better describe them in future for the pedants out there.

And by small minority I meant lone parents and disabled. That's a minority of students.

Everyone from a household with an income under £42k can get grants. That's not a small minority. You are wrong. Just like you were wrong when you said grants are long gone.

Just admit it and move on, you're starting to look pathetic. Try researching the facts before posting and not believing the propaganda you read in the Mirror.