PIP form

melbury

Thank you Roger for the extremely useful reply.

I will be filling in the form on behalf of my OH because he would be unable to do it himself - completely overwhelmed by it.

As I said previously, I am planning on just handwriting "see point xxx on page 15" for each relevant descriptor and will type all of the detail out as it is substantial covering various issues, which will be far better from my point of view and undoubtedly the DWP's as it will be clear and easy for them to read.

If they don't like it, undoubtedly they will let us know.

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whilst it is important to convey as much detail as possible in order for an assessment to be done properly,it is also a good idea not to overload the person reading the application with too much waffle

AllSpent

I agree with woodbine. Remember, there are 12 descriptors, and each addresses an independent activity. Admitedly, some of them are confusing to newcomers, and appear to overlap somewhat; arguably they do, but when properly analysed they indeed are seperate acitvities.

An example is activity 1 and 12. People often talk about their problems with walking in activity 1, when it explicitly refers to the ability to make food "ready for cooking or eating". (That is a very concise version, if one were to refer to the actual DWP handbook, it would give you a fuller explanation).Incidentally, it may be helpful to have this to refer to.

In all, this is a long-winded way of agreeing with others in keeping it concise and relevant, with minimum "waffle". You will have the opprortunity to expand on your individual difficulties at the assessement.

melbury

AllSpent wrote: »

I agree with woodbine. Remember, there are 12 descriptors, and each addresses an independent activity. Admitedly, some of them are confusing to newcomers, and appear to overlap somewhat; arguably they do, but when properly analysed they indeed are seperate acitvities.

An example is activity 1 and 12. People often talk about their problems with walking in activity 1, when it explicitly refers to the ability to make food "ready for cooking or eating". (That is a very concise version, if one were to refer to the actual DWP handbook, it would give you a fuller explanation).Incidentally, it may be helpful to have this to refer to.

In all, this is a long-winded way of agreeing with others in keeping it concise and relevant, with minimum "waffle". You will have the opprortunity to expand on your individual difficulties at the assessement.

So it is better to just keep it short and to the point and not write reams? As the saying goes "less is more"? I just don't want the DWP to think that I haven't bothered to put in enough effort.

I have a lot of various consultants letters to attach spanning the period from 2010 to date. I really should have applied years ago, but getting ESA was so exhausting I simply couldn't face another round of DWP and ATOS stress:(

I am going to try and deal with one descriptor per evening and aim to post form back by next weekend. Do hope I can do this, every time I look at the form I just want to run:(

AllSpent

You can write as much as you need to so you get your point - and more importantly - the information needed across. If that's two sentences fine, equally if it's ten, then so be it.

In terms of letters, generally the more recent ones are looked at, and if there are many similar types of letter, some can be left out, For example, 15 letters from a a physio over the last two years that all say more or less the same thing is likely to be more problematic for the HP to sort through than the last two in a series that get the message across. But if in doubt, include it.

I would do it all as a draft seperately and let is sit for a day or so. Then read it again and see if you have stuck to the main question, or whether you have included information from another one.

It's not the end of the world of you haven't, but seeing as this is the main part of the form that will be looked at, the more logical, clearer, and relevant it is, the better it can be understood, and the better your conditions are represented to the assessor. They will then have a good sense of the areas they need to explore to support your claim, and tie that in with your condition/s.

melbury

AllSpent wrote: »

You can write as much as you need to so you get your point - and more importantly - the information needed across. If that's two sentences fine, equally if it's ten, then so be it.

In terms of letters, generally the more recent ones are looked at, and if there are many similar types of letter, some can be left out, For example, 15 letters from a a physio over the last two years that all say more or less the same thing is likely to be more problematic for the HP to sort through than the last two in a series that get the message across. But if in doubt, include it.

I would do it all as a draft seperately and let is sit for a day or so. Then read it again and see if you have stuck to the main question, or whether you have included information from another one.

It's not the end of the world of you haven't, but seeing as this is the main part of the form that will be looked at, the more logical, clearer, and relevant it is, the better it can be understood, and the better your conditions are represented to the assessor. They will then have a good sense of the areas they need to explore to support your claim, and tie that in with your condition/s.

Thank you AllSpent.

I think sometimes there is a tendency to go overboard with the detail and write far too much, thinking that this is what they expect and want.

I am presuming that they don't want great detail about the actual health conditions (as of course the ESA form deals with that), but just want to know how the different issues affect your day to day life.

So will endeavour to be succinct:)

melbury

I have drafted the main points to fill in on the form and will sit down over the weekend and get it done.

One point I am not sure about; I have put the answers together and will be filling the form in on behalf of OH, but he will sign it. Should I say somewhere that I have done this? I am sure on the ESA form there was a specific box to say if someone was filling the form in on your behalf.

AllSpent

I can't remember if there is a specific section to address this. You can counter-sign indicating you helped with the form; I think there is a section at the bottom for extra information if I remember correctly.

If you are attending the assessment as well, you can always refer to having helped with completing the form during the consultation.

melbury

AllSpent wrote: »

I can't remember if there is a specific section to address this. You can counter-sign indicating you helped with the form; I think there is a section at the bottom for extra information if I remember correctly.

If you are attending the assessment as well, you can always refer to having helped with completing the form during the consultation.

Thanks, I would definitely have to attend the medical assessment so can point it out then

Have to say I did find it extremely hard not to fill this with exactly the same information as the ESA form - have tweaked it, but it is pretty close:(

the_devil_made_me_do_it

My other half filled in my form and declared it in the any more info section of the form. Also he made the call handler aware that he would be filling it in on my behalf.

He also used the computer to type out the info needed for each question, unless the question didn't apply or required a short answer.

He is dyslexic too, so pretty much always requires the use of a computer to write documents/letters.