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Samsonite1 wrote: »I beg to differ - try driving a Ford Focus (2007 onwards) and you will find it handles very nicely. I am a BMW fan and would prefer to go back to one, but they lack practicality. I have never driven a Vauxhall other than a Corsa (was rubbish) so I cannot comment on how well most of them drive, but Fords are pretty good, hence taking 2 Fords after BMWs.
Ford may have decent handling for a FWD car and for the average driver but it still doesn't compare to a BMW. A BMW is RWD with a 50/50 weight distribution. It's known to be a 'drivers' car and for good reason. Take a ford around a corner at high speed or push it towards its limit and it will under/torque steer.0 -
I live in London and only just graduated a couple of years ago. In case you didn't know, properties prices around here aren't cheap...
So you're young and live with your mum, no one really cares. So stop throwing round your insults and making assumptions about what others can afford. You've got a lot of growing up to do and your aren't impressing anyone here with your stories. People would have more respect if you came clean and told them your main transport was an Oyster card.0 -
Ford may have decent handling for a FWD car and for the average driver but it still doesn't compare to a BMW. A BMW is RWD with a 50/50 weight distribution. It's known to be a 'drivers' car and for good reason. Take a ford around a corner at high speed or push it towards its limit and it will under/torque steer.
Where as a BMW or Porsche will oversteer and potentially kill you.0 -
Where as a BMW or Porsche will oversteer and potentially kill you.
amen, it is better to stay alive.When you look into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you. Nietzsche
Please note that at no point during this work was the kettle ever put out of commission and no chavs were harmed during the making of this post.0 -
Ford may have decent handling for a FWD car and for the average driver but it still doesn't compare to a BMW. A BMW is RWD with a 50/50 weight distribution. It's known to be a 'drivers' car and for good reason. Take a ford around a corner at high speed or push it towards its limit and it will under/torque steer.
Yes on a track - not on normal roads at legal speeds - you really will not feel any benefit of RWD in normal driving. I have done track days with my BMWs and also Lamborghinis and Ferraris (not mine, but rented for the day!) - yes RWD excels on the track. I know a fair amount about car handling having had many lessons on the track. To some extent you have to understand that many of us have been there and done that already. You have more perspective and more experience as you get older, such as actually having been a BMW owner and having tested various cars.
I was much the same at your age - wanted a BMW, graduated, saved and got one (second hand 1997 318i first) - and loved it.
Go get that BMW! I would recommend trying an E36 BWM - cheap to buy - amazing gearbox. Of all the BMWs I've driven the E36 is still my favourite, for looks and driving.To err is human, but it is against company policy.0 -
Samsonite1 wrote: »Yes on a track - not on normal roads at legal speeds - you really will not feel any benefit of RWD in normal driving. I have done track days with my BMWs and also Lamborghinis and Ferraris (not mine, but rented for the day!) - yes RWD excels on the track. I know a fair amount about car handling having had many lessons on the track. To some extent you have to understand that many of us have been there and done that already. You have more perspective and more experience as you get older, such as actually having been a BMW owner and having tested various cars.
I was much the same at your age - wanted a BMW, graduated, saved and got one (second hand 1997 318i first) - and loved it.
Go get that BMW! I would recommend trying an E36 BWM - cheap to buy - amazing gearbox. Of all the BMWs I've driven the E36 is still my favourite, for looks and driving.
In the right hands RWD does excel on the track but there is also another added benefit of RWD (and the reason why Merc/BMW/Lexus are generally RWD) which is the balanced feeling you get while driving due to the more even weight distribution. I have driven 2014/15 Merc E class/C class as hire cars for work and the there is definitely more of a balanced feeling than standard FWD car.0 -
I have driven various makes/models as hire cars and for me the best cars I have driven was the E class. Out of the 'ordinary' cars I really enjoyed the new Peugeot 308. In fact I really liked this car in terms of its handling/response and engine refinement and would say I enjoyed it more than the E class.
Driven the new Focus as well (it was the turbo petrol engine) and it handled fairly well but not nearly as good as the Peugeot. Driven few 2014/15 Golfs and they were decent, better than the Focus in my opinion but only slightly. Out of all the cars I've had as hire cars the Merc and Peugeot were the best and Vauxhalls the worse.0 -
In the right hands RWD does excel on the track but there is also another added benefit of RWD (and the reason why Merc/BMW/Lexus are generally RWD) which is the balanced feeling you get while driving due to the more even weight distribution. I have driven 2014/15 Merc E class/C class as hire cars for work and the there is definitely more of a balanced feeling than standard FWD car.
Please stop, driving a hire car on the road is no judge of how balanced a car is when you talk about them excelling on the track.
How many cars in the British Touring Car Championship are rwd? Are you saying there is not been a competitive fwd?
Stick to facts having driven a few hire cars you preferred the Merc, given your previous form it's probably nothing to do with how the car drives and more the fact your perception that other drivers were looking up to you.0 -
Please stop, driving a hire car on the road is no judge of how balanced a car is when you talk about them excelling on the track.
How many cars in the British Touring Car Championship are rwd? Are you saying there is not been a competitive fwd?
Stick to facts having driven a few hire cars you preferred the Merc, given your previous form it's probably nothing to do with how the car drives and more the fact your perception that other drivers were looking up to you.
What are you talking about? I don't care whether other drivers are looking up to me or not in that E class Merc. I'm not even a Merc fan but I found it the best (and it should be it's twice the price of the other hire cars I had). It was very comfortable over long journeys (better seats), felt very balanced and stable at higher motorway speeds and sound isolation was excellent in the cabin. After a good 4 hours plus, I wanted to get out of all the other cars and felt tired after a long drive. In the Merc however I still felt fresh after a long drive. But this isn't a surprise THE CAR IS TWICE THE PRICE and has to meet twice the expectation!
I still find it absurd that people here believe Fords and Vauxhalls are better cars than BMWs and Mercs in build quality and so forth. Only on a MSE website will you find drivel like this, most of which coming from people who can't afford nice cars or get an entry spec and then moan and slate it. I can freely conceded that I cannot afford a BMW or Merc, but I won't have a chip on my shoulder and I'll give credit where credit is due. On ay other motoring forum; Merc, Subaru, Nissan, Pistonheads - more enthusiast forums where people are more knowledgeable on cars and are not fans of BMW will still generally agree that they're superior cars than Toyotas, Fords and Vauxhalls.0 -
I have driven various makes/models as hire cars and for me the best cars I have driven was the E class. Out of the 'ordinary' cars I really enjoyed the new Peugeot 308. In fact I really liked this car in terms of its handling/response and engine refinement and would say I enjoyed it more than the E class.
Driven the new Focus as well (it was the turbo petrol engine) and it handled fairly well but not nearly as good as the Peugeot. Driven few 2014/15 Golfs and they were decent, better than the Focus in my opinion but only slightly. Out of all the cars I've had as hire cars the Merc and Peugeot were the best and Vauxhalls the worse.
Can I ask you a question and maybe give you a chance to be honest and redeem yourself.
If your young and attract an insurance premium on hire cars, you by your own admission can't afford a BMW or your own property. You claim to own your own car, which you claim is reliable and well maintained.
Why are you spending money you don't have on so many hire cars?0
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