Disabled spaces on private land

stator

keepitlegal wrote: »

Getting back to original post.
Disabled parking spaces are provided to meet the rquirements of the EA20110.
You park in a disabled space in a council owned car park you must display a BB or you risk getting a ticket.
You park in a disabled space in a private car park and don't have BB you risk getting a ticket, but you ask for advice on this site and your told how to get out of paying the PCN, quoting things like I have a disability mentioned in the EA2010 so I'm allowed to park in a disabled place.
To quailify for a BB you are either blind or you have mobility problems.
I've actually told offenders they shouldn't be parked in a disabled space and faced a barrage of insults and on occasions physically threatened, I would welcome a change in the law (like North of the border) where you must display a BB even in a private car park.
It would be interesting to hear others views on this matter.

Keepitlegal

Why shouldn't the needs of people who are disabled or have reduce mobility be met just because they don't have a blue badge?

aguynameddarryl

stator wrote: »

Why shouldn't the needs of people who are disabled or have reduce mobility be met just because they don't have a blue badge?

Because the law has deemed thus?

See again, "entitlement" above.

keepitlegal

Iceweasel wrote: »

Not everyone with mobility problems have problems considered 'serious enough' to qualify for a BB.

I put such people well above a person with a child.

Also which border are you referring to?

BBs still have no validity in Scottish or NI private car parks.

My dad has a BB and the notes clearly state that they are for on-street parking concessions only.

Unless something has changed recently which we are unaware of.

I remember reading somewhere that blue badge rules were different in Scotland, they applied to private car parks as well as on street parking.

Keepitlegal

keepitlegal

stator wrote: »

Why shouldn't the needs of people who are disabled or have reduce mobility be met just because they don't have a blue badge?

Because a person with one arm is disabled, but they wouldn't quailify for a BB

Keepitlegal

stator

aguynameddarryl wrote: »

Because the law has deemed thus?

See again, "entitlement" above.

I disagree, the law requires companies to make reasonable adaptations for all people regardless of whether they meet some arbitary government classification that entitles them to a blue badge.

keepitlegal

stator wrote: »

I disagree, the law requires companies to make reasonable adaptations for all people regardless of whether they meet some arbitary government classification that entitles them to a blue badge.

Using your line of thought, a person with one arm would be entitled to park in a disabled bay in a private car park, but if that person used a disabled bay in a council owned car park or a disabled bay on a street they would risk getting a ticket?
The point I'm trying to make is there are a lot of people who use disabled bays knowing they shouldn't, but that they can get away with it, by claiming to have a disability.
I suffer from severe to profound hearing loss, I have done for several years but I never parked in a disabled space although I could have using your argument.

Keepitlegal

aguynameddarryl

stator wrote: »

I disagree, the law requires companies to make reasonable adaptations for all people regardless of whether they meet some arbitary government classification that entitles them to a blue badge.

And in requiring the users of Disabled spaces to display BB's, the car park owners are complying with that requirement. Those who have been deemed to be sufficiently disabled are entitled, those who have not, are not.

By the same token, parents of young children have a temporary requirement for more convenient parking than the wider population also. Their need will only last for the first few years of their childs' life.

I really don't see what the issue is here - you're either sufficiently disabled to need the disabled bay, in which case you have a BB, or you're not. Not possessing a BB is no reason to park in a Parent and Child bay if you do not have said young child with you.

aguynameddarryl

keepitlegal wrote: »

Using your line of thought, a person with one arm would be entitled to park in a disabled bay in a private car park, but if that person used a disabled bay in a council owned car park or a disabled bay on a street they would risk getting a ticket?
The point I'm trying to make is there are a lot of people who use disabled bays knowing they shouldn't, but that they can get away with it, by claiming to have a disability.
I suffer from severe to profound hearing loss, I have done for several years but I never parked in a disabled space although I could have using your argument.

Keepitlegal

You're probably a Parent. You're certainly someone's child, so using the logic further up the board, you could always use one of those P&C bays instead? [/sarcasm]

But yes, I totally agree with your point.

keepitlegal

aguynameddarryl wrote: »

You're probably a Parent. You're certainly someone's child, so using the logic further up the board, you could always use one of those P&C bays instead? [/sarcasm]

But yes, I totally agree with your point.

I'm a 55 year old parent, grandparent ex fireman (retired I'll health due to several spinal problems) and totally deaf in my right ear with severe hearing loss in my left ear, I walk short distances with a stick and use my wheelchair on my really bad days.
Just for the record, I don't use P&C spaces, if I can't get a disabled space I park on the end of a row so I have sufficient room to fully open my door.

Keepitlegal

stator

aguynameddarryl wrote: »

And in requiring the users of Disabled spaces to display BB's, the car park owners are complying with that requirement. Those who have been deemed to be sufficiently disabled are entitled, those who have not, are not.

That's incorrect. The law on disability discrimination and reasonable adaptations doesn't allow the company concerned to use arbitary restrictions such as requiring a blue badge. They are required to help anyone who needs it. This applies to airports too. If you have 'reduced mobility' they have to offer wheelchair services etc.

Using your line of thought, a person with one arm would be entitled to park in a disabled bay in a private car park, but if that person used a disabled bay in a council owned car park or a disabled bay on a street they would risk getting a ticket?

It would depend on whether they need to use it or not. If someone with one arm needs the extra space or the shorter distances that are provided with disabled spaces then they should be able to use them. If the company tries to stop you then they would be in violation of DD.
Council run car parks have different rules in many aspects as they are covered by specific laws. What would happen if someone who is disabled without a BB took the council to court for failing to meet DD, I don't know, but I would like to see it :T