Disabled spaces on private land

Fruitcake

Parent and child bays are provided by shops to entice people in to spend money. No other reason.

Disabled bays are provided by law for people who have a disability.

Unfortunately some people have a sense of entitlement that makes them think the two are similar, so if a P and C bay isn't available they will use a disabled bay and try to justify their actions by saying they need more space.

Disabled bays are covered by law and the Equality Act 2010. There is an international sign for the disabled.
There is no such thing as a standard for P and C bays. They do not exist in law or statute. The parking companies and shops do not have a standard definition or a standard sign. I am a parent and a child. That means I can park in a P and C bay doesn't it?
Oh hang on, in another car park it has to be a parent with a child under twelve. Twelve what? Feet tall, IQ, shoe size?
Another car park calls it a Parent and Toddler bay. What is the legal definition of a toddler? Er, someone who toddles? I do that if my arthritis is playing me up. So again, that means U can park there doesn't it.

P and C bays are a gimmick to get people to spend money in shops, and parking companies use them as a cash cow by issuing invoices if someone doesn't comply with their made up rules.

Disabled bays are for people with disabilities, whether they have a BB is irrelevant. No-one should park in a disabled bay unless one of the occupants is disabled.
Anyone can park in a gimmick bay no matter what pretty picture is painted on the ground or nearby sign.

aguynameddarryl

Fruitcake wrote: »

Unfortunately some people have a sense of entitlement.

As you are displaying here, some people do have a sense of entitlement, don't they (but do they have a sense of irony?).

Fruitcake wrote: »

I am a parent and a child. That means I can park in a P and C bay doesn't it?
Oh hang on, in another car park it has to be a parent with a child under twelve. Twelve what? Feet tall, IQ, shoe size?
Another car park calls it a Parent and Toddler bay. What is the legal definition of a toddler? Er, someone who toddles? I do that if my arthritis is playing me up. So again, that means I can park there doesn't it.

So because the you don't like the "rules" governing Parent and Child spaces in Private car parks, you feel the need to abuse the system, but woe betide anyone who does that with disabled spaces?

As someone who does use parent and child spaces (when accompanied by said child) and does not use disabled spaces (as am not disabled), I find your logic quite bizarre.

Umkomaas

aguynameddarryl wrote: »

As you are displaying here, some people do have a sense of entitlement, don't they (but do they have a sense of irony?).



So because the you don't like the "rules" governing Parent and Child spaces in Private car parks, you feel the need to abuse the system, but woe betide anyone who does that with disabled spaces?

As someone who does use parent and child spaces (when accompanied by said child) and does not use disabled spaces (as am not disabled), I find your logic quite bizarre.

I don't think Fruitcake is abusing the system - he is exposing the system and the nonsense that surrounds it. When signage is argued by PPCs as 'contractual', the definitions he comments on have no basis and make any implied contract unenforceable!

aguynameddarryl

Umkomaas wrote: »

I don't think Fruitcake is abusing the system - he is exposing the system and the nonsense that surrounds it. When signage is argued by PPCs as 'contractual', the definitions he comments on have no basis and make any implied contract unenforceable!

Then by the same token, the complaint about people misusing disabled spaces is pretty groundless.

I'm not advocating using disabled spaces if not disabled, but you can see why I'm confused that it seems to be ok to misuse P&C spaces but not Disabled ones?

fisherjim

aguynameddarryl wrote: »

Then by the same token, the complaint about people misusing disabled spaces is pretty groundless.

I'm not advocating using disabled spaces if not disabled, but you can see why I'm confused that it seems to be ok to misuse P&C spaces but not Disabled ones?

Sorry, how does the muppet attendant know that Mrs. Parent has actually parked in a parent and child bay legitimately?

Half_way

So because the you don't like the "rules" governing Parent and Child spaces in Private car parks, you feel the need to abuse the system, but woe betide anyone who does that with disabled spaces?

The issue here is that you are giving parent and child bays the same value as disabled /disabled assistance bays.
The two do not even compare.

aguynameddarryl

Why can't you? I really can't fathom why you think that parents might not need the extra door space to help get their kids in and out of the car.

See my earlier comments on a sense of entitlement.

keepitlegal

Getting back to original post.
Disabled parking spaces are provided to meet the rquirements of the EA20110.
You park in a disabled space in a council owned car park you must display a BB or you risk getting a ticket.
You park in a disabled space in a private car park and don't have BB you risk getting a ticket, but you ask for advice on this site and your told how to get out of paying the PCN, quoting things like I have a disability mentioned in the EA2010 so I'm allowed to park in a disabled place.
To quailify for a BB you are either blind or you have mobility problems.
I've actually told offenders they shouldn't be parked in a disabled space and faced a barrage of insults and on occasions physically threatened, I would welcome a change in the law (like North of the border) where you must display a BB even in a private car park.
It would be interesting to hear others views on this matter.

Keepitlegal

trisontana

keepitlegal wrote: »

I would welcome a change in the law (like North of the border) where you must display a BB even in a private car park.
It would be interesting to hear others views on this matter.

Keepitlegal

I thought that only applied to those private car parks that have asked to have their disabled spaces monitored and "policed" by the council. The last I heard was that the uptake has been very small as the PPCs would rather keep that income stream.

Iceweasel

keepitlegal wrote: »

Getting back to original post.
Disabled parking spaces are provided to meet the rquirements of the EA20110.
You park in a disabled space in a council owned car park you must display a BB or you risk getting a ticket.
You park in a disabled space in a private car park and don't have BB you risk getting a ticket, but you ask for advice on this site and your told how to get out of paying the PCN, quoting things like I have a disability mentioned in the EA2010 so I'm allowed to park in a disabled place.
To quailify for a BB you are either blind or you have mobility problems.
I've actually told offenders they shouldn't be parked in a disabled space and faced a barrage of insults and on occasions physically threatened, I would welcome a change in the law (like North of the border) where you must display a BB even in a private car park.
It would be interesting to hear others views on this matter.

Keepitlegal

Not everyone with mobility problems have problems considered 'serious enough' to qualify for a BB.

I put such people well above a person with a child.

Also which border are you referring to?

BBs still have no validity in Scottish or NI private car parks.

My dad has a BB and the notes clearly state that they are for on-street parking concessions only.

Unless something has changed recently which we are unaware of.