I HATE the name of this forum - Disability and Dosh !

cheesemouse_2

billywilly wrote: »

So why are people claiming these benefits when they don't have those extra costs?

Wow, that must have taken you quite some time to speak to every single person in the country who's claiming benefits to find out if they have any extra costs.

No wonder you sound so stressed.

lisyloo

So why are people claiming these benefits when they don't have those extra costs?

My personal view (which is perfectly legal) is that my parents (in law) should claim everything they are entitled to.
My MIL worked for 60 years even though she had arthritis for many decades.

and why are they both claiming

They are both disabled and both entitled to what they are claiming.

when it is clear that only one needs to claim to cover those costs?
It seems to me that entitlement counts for more than need.

If your question is technical, then attendance allowance doesn't have to cover costs (I'm not being facetious I'm genuinely not sure if your question is technical or moral).
If it's a moral question then I (and they) and "the system" believes they are entitled to claim for everything they are entitled to.

I agree the system isn't perfectly fair, but I certainly don't consider claiming what you are entitled to as "at it".
I'm glad you've made up your mind, you are perfectly entitled to your opinion but I see nothing immoral at all.

There are other costs they incurr (such as £8K recently for a disabled bathroom), so they certainly aren't living any kind of high life on their £160 per week.

If you think it's immoral to claim what you are entitled to but don't strictly need, then feel free to explain, but that is certianly not the view of the government, DWP etc.

billywilly

cheesemouse wrote: »

Wow, that must have taken you quite some time to speak to every single person in the country who's claiming benefits to find out if they have any extra costs.

No wonder you sound so stressed.

Lisyloo said:

My MIL & FIL both get higher rate attendance allowance (about £160 total per week).
They pay £30 for a cleaner weekly, £20 for someone to fetch the shopping.
£15 every 6 weeks to get toenails cut.

So whilst both are housebound, they do not spend the total that they get.

I was referring to lisyloo's statement. They receive a total of £160 Attendance Allowance. Of this they spend in the region of £105. I only ask why they then have the need to claim the £160 when it clearly isn't being spent on the extra costs relating to their disabilities.
I wonder how many others, if they were open and honest about it, actually have the need to make these claims when their disability/ies don't have the extra costs.
It seems to me as though there is entitlement and need goes out of the window.

Yes I was truly guilty of this myself, and looking back now I have realised how selfish I was.

billywilly

lisyloo wrote: »

My personal view (which is perfectly legal) is that my parents (in law) should claim everything they are entitled to.
My MIL worked for 60 years even though she had arthritis for many decades.

They are both disabled and both entitled to what they are claiming.

If your question is technical, then attendance allowance doesn't have to cover costs (I'm not being facetious I'm genuinely not sure if your question is technical or moral).
If it's a moral question then I (and they) and "the system" believes they are entitled to claim for everything they are entitled to.

I agree the system isn't perfectly fair, but I certainly don't consider claiming what you are entitled to as "at it".
I'm glad you've made up your mind, you are perfectly entitled to your opinion but I see nothing immoral at all.

There are other costs they incurr (such as £8K recently for a disabled bathroom), so they certainly aren't living any kind of high life on their £160 per week.

If you think it's immoral to claim what you are entitled to but don't strictly need, then feel free to explain, but that is certianly not the view of the government, DWP etc.

In a way I agree entirely with you. I am looking at the moral aspect.
If entitlement is the be all and end all, why then do people on this site berate others and myself when it is highlighted what their level of income is from all sources, pensions and benefits?
If I accept that society should accept that where entitlement exists, people should make use of it and claim everything what they can legally even though there is no justifiable reason to do so other than having an entitlement.
Currently we receive between us a total of approx £500 a week from various pensions and benefits. Being entitled to Attendance Allowance (at what ever rate is awarded) the system will push our weekly income up to over £700 a week. Morally wrong in my opinion, but in yours justified as there is entitlement.

densol_2

billywilly wrote: »

Yes I was truly guilty of this myself, and looking back now I have realised how selfish I was.

Pay it all black out of the £85k you have ...... Oops no sorry you ring fenced that and put it in a trust so you NEVER have assets yourself ! All saved from 19 years of claiming disability benefit !!!

You serve no purpose on this forum but to hijack threads ( yes thanks for hijacking my forum name thread ) and spreading dangerous misleading and totally incorrect information to the most vulnerable of this site that are maybe unduly influenced by your warped perception of the rules and regulations.

They should ban ANDYANDFLO AND BENNIBERT AND BILLYWILLY - IP addresses - as you all are actually the same person!! .....who spouts out the same illogical and wrong rubbish every day and brings this forum into DISREPUTE !!!

billywilly

densol wrote: »

Pay it all black out of the £85k you have ...... Oops no sorry you ring fenced that and put it in a trust so you NEVER have assets yourself ! All saved from 19 years of claiming disability benefit !!!

But I was entitled to that money - which is what everybody seems to be saying is the way to go. Claim every single penny that you can as long as you are entitled to it. You only have to read the other posts who all agree - as lisyloo says: My personal view (which is perfectly legal) is that my parents (in law) should claim everything they are entitled to.
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Ames

Going back to the original post.


Everyone hated the name when the forum started. We were told to lump it by MSE towers. So it's nice that they seem to have changed their minds.

densol_2

billywilly wrote: »

But I was entitled to that money - which is what everybody seems to be saying is the way to go. Claim every single penny that you can as long as you are entitled to it. You only have to read the other posts who all agree - as lisyloo says: My personal view (which is perfectly legal) is that my parents (in law) should claim everything they are entitled to.
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I've never been an advocate of people not claiming what they are entitled to ever .... But you with your dreadful numerous posts say this all the time and this can really affect the vulnerable and mentally ill - who look to this reputable site for advice and help and come across your posts - misleading, wrong and terrible

fredandwilma

billywilly wrote: »

In a way I agree entirely with you. I am looking at the moral aspect.
If entitlement is the be all and end all, why then do people on this site berate others and myself when it is highlighted what their level of income is from all sources, pensions and benefits?
If I accept that society should accept that where entitlement exists, people should make use of it and claim everything what they can legally even though there is no justifiable reason to do so other than having an entitlement.
Currently we receive between us a total of approx £500 a week from various pensions and benefits. Being entitled to Attendance Allowance (at what ever rate is awarded) the system will push our weekly income up to over £700 a week. Morally wrong in my opinion, but in yours justified as there is entitlement.

You should be able to afford a driving licence out of £700 a week then?






Don't forget to inform DVLA of any illnesses, too.






https://www.gov.uk/driving-medical-conditions/telling-dvla-about-a-medical-condition-or-disability






https://www.gov.uk/health-conditions-and-driving

fredandwilma

densol wrote: »

I've never been an advocate of people not claiming what they are entitled to ever .... But you with your dreadful numerous posts say this all the time and this can really affect the vulnerable and mentally ill - who look to this reputable site for advice and help and come across your posts - misleading, wrong and terrible

Sadly, potentially law breaking, too.