How will the economy be affected by SNP MPs; will it be for richer or for poorer and

IveSeenTheLight

CLAPTON wrote: »

You 'believe' in votes for 16 an 17 years old but NOT because they are eligible to pay taxes.

As most people can tell you, new born babies are eligible to pay taxes and they enjoy a tax free allowance of 10,600 for income and a cgt allowance of 11,000.

I don't know why I'm trying to engage, I really don't.
You don't seem to want to engage with anyone on these forums.
A true internet troll.

Paying taxes was only ONE of my reasons and I put forward the point if that they are ineligible to vote, then they should not need to pay taxes.

Anyway, have a great day, I hope your trolling brings you some pleasure

IveSeenTheLight

Rinoa wrote: »

The UK electorate voted for the current government. If you wanted to rule yourselves Mr Cameron gave you ample opportunity to do so ~ but you declined his generous offer.

I notice you passed on the question of how Nicola was going to turn around your £7.5Bn deficit.

I am not an SNP member nor associated in any way politically to any party, so unfortunately, I do not have the answers you seek, hence the no reply.

What I do believe in is that the politicians have the powers to make a change and I believe the Scottish electorate would vote for the party they believe will do the best for them.

Unfortunately, we are to removed from Westminster that has seen the Scottish electorate increasingly grow apart from UK politics and therefore an increased desire for local control.

Now then, maybe you could go back to a question which you passed by, which are what are the valid reasons for the Conservatives not to allow FFA / FFR?

P.S. with regards to the deficit, the UK is also running a deficit and the SNP also understands that this has to be reduced, just not as fast as the Conservatives want.

CLAPTON

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

I don't know why I'm trying to engage, I really don't.
You don't seem to want to engage with anyone on these forums.
A true internet troll.

Paying taxes was only ONE of my reasons and I put forward the point if that they are ineligible to vote, then they should not need to pay taxes.

Anyway, have a great day, I hope your trolling brings you some pleasure

If you believe in votes for 16-17 years olds simply because you have a gut feeling then just say so.
But please don't make up total rubbish about paying taxes because you are too ignorant about your home land to understand how the tax system works.

Why not try 'thinking' first, then thinking some more and only then posting.

I am merely trying to help you understand how our tax system works and help you justify you gut feeling beliefs in a more rational manner.

You should be 'thanking' my posts for helping you justify for prejudices more credibly.

15 year olds (like new born babies) have EXACTLY the same liability to pay taxes as 16 year olds.
Do try to understand some very simple things about the Scottish tax system.

Obviously you will make up some new nonsense but why bother: just say you have a gut feeling deep inside that says 16 and over should have the vote and forget about faux justifications that change with every post.

IveSeenTheLight

CLAPTON wrote: »

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chucknorris

CLAPTON wrote: »

You 'believe' in votes for 16 an 17 years old but NOT because they are eligible to pay taxes.

As most people can tell you, new born babies are eligible to pay taxes and they enjoy a tax free allowance of 10,600 for income and a cgt allowance of 11,000.

This discrimination against babies must end, I think that they should get the same CGT allowance as the rest of us.

princeofpounds

As most people can tell you, new born babies are eligible to pay taxes and they enjoy a tax free allowance of 10,600 for income and a cgt allowance of 11,000.

very useful for tax 'efficiency'. I know a baby that owned a pub once. Wasn't actually allowed to drink or even enter the saloon bar, of course.


The whole 16/17yr old debate gets far more attention than it really deserves in my opinion.


There are probably 16 year olds mature enough to vote. There are probably 18 year olds too immature to vote.


A line needs to be drawn somewhere, and it is always going to cut people out as people develop at very different rates.


18 is simple because it's the age of majority, and probably by then a majority of people are grown-up enough.


Yes, there is always the argument that people can drink/join the military/drive/work etc. before that age.


But there is little logic in suggesting that we lower voting age to the earliest age at which you can display any kind of personal freedom. 12 year old geniuses can complete maths degrees at university - it doesn't mean all 13 year olds should vote.


Different ages for different things is totally fine - not all freedoms are the same, and not all demand representation.


In the same way, I wouldn't care very much if the voting age were lowered. Although I happen to think that most 16 years olds are pretty unwise as a result of a lack of life experience. And let's face it, the '17 Lobby' is only under-represented because it's not an even number - the psychology is that arbitrary.


The sad thing about this is that much more material electoral issues, such as the stale boundaries between constituencies (which means that somewhere like the Isle of Wight gets 5 times less representation per capita than the Western Isles - almost Rotten Boroughs territory), get remarkably little attention.

Rinoa

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Now then, maybe you could go back to a question which you passed by, which are what are the valid reasons for the Conservatives not to allow FFA / FFR?

I believe I've already replied, maybe you just don't like the answer . A 7.5Bn deficit should cause you concern, especially as there are no detailed plans available showing how it will be reduced. And who will you turn to if it all goes pear shaped? - the rest of the UK will need to bail you out as we'd be responsible for your debt.

If you want to throw your own money around, fair enough, but you should have voted for independence to do that.

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

P.S. with regards to the deficit, the UK is also running a deficit and the SNP also understands that this has to be reduced, just not as fast as the Conservatives want.

The Conservatives will have cleared the deficit probably by 2020 - 10 years after they took office. How long do the SNP think it should take, 15 years, 25 years?

IveSeenTheLight

princeofpounds wrote: »

Yes, there is always the argument that people can drink/join the military/drive/work etc. before that age.

and a lot of other good points......

Essentially, if your old enough to leave home and be responsible for yourself, then you should be able to vote. (In my opinion)

CLAPTON

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Essentially, if your old enough to leave home and be responsible for yourself, then you should be able to vote. (In my opinion)

ah
good you've dropped that tax nonsense

shows you are capable of learning something, albeit with little gratitude to your coach.

IveSeenTheLight

Rinoa wrote: »

I believe I've already replied, maybe you just don't like the answer . A 7.5Bn deficit should cause you concern, especially as there are no detailed plans available showing how it will be reduced. And who will you turn to if it all goes pear shaped? - the rest of the UK will need to bail you out as we'd be responsible for your debt.

So your "sole" valid reason is to ensure that Scotland does not continue to run a deficit as the UK government has done to date.

Two points: -

1) The conservative government has not provided "detailed" plans of how the UK deficit will be reduced, just a target which has moved out.

2) I'm sure FFA power could be devolved but with a caveat over caps on debt i.e. the 7.5Bn you refer to much be reduced to zero over a 5 year government period.

Rinoa wrote: »

If you want to throw your own money around, fair enough, but you should have voted for independence to do that.

I did, as did 45% of the nation, however we were a 5% swing away from having a majority.
We respect that decision, but you must accept that the Scottish electorate (both yes and no voters) want more powers and fiscal autonomy

Rinoa wrote: »

The Conservatives will have cleared the deficit probably by 2020 - 10 years after they took office. How long do the SNP think it should take, 15 years, 25 years?

Yes, the Conservatives said they would do it in the last parliament, failed and have now stretched that to within this parliament.

I don't know how long the SNP planned for this as I am not a member.
I fully agree that we should be living within our means and the SNP also agree this needs to reduce.

FFA is not stating that a deficit would continue on Scotland, but give it, the ability to adjust and grow the economy in a better way for their constituents