How will the economy be affected by SNP MPs; will it be for richer or for poorer and

Shakethedisease

Tromking wrote: »

Does anyone listen to Gordon Brown still?
I think the Tories and ergo the English have finally realised that in its tortuous relationship with the Scots, you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.
The story of the GE2015 was for some Scotland sending 56 nationalists to Westminster, but it was also the birth of there being real political capital in being anti-nationalist and anti-break-up of the Union, and if I'm being honest in being anti-Scottish too.
As someone who is not a natural Tory, I did find myself cheering on Cameron when he directed his ire toward the SNP this week.
This may very well suit the SNP in its quest toward the ultimate goal of independence, but I wouldn't bite the hand that feeds you too much.

I wasn't actually quoting Gordon Brown btw. I was quoting the Guardian reporting on a Times article ( I don't pay for a Times subscription ).

What did you mean by 'bite the hand that feeds you' ( genuine interest )?

There's certainly strife ahead.. and I'm sure there will be many more occasions for which you can cheer Cameron on in his ire. But I do think that there's now a distinct 'just a matter of time' narrative emerging from all sides now. In terms of pure demography in Scotland, it certainly does seem to be just a matter of time and patience. Or else a complete disaster of an attempt at FFA first....

Scotland is independent in all but the numbers. YouGov polling now shows the over-60s are the only age group still opposed, and excepting an unforeseen catastrophe or a painful taster of full fiscal autonomy, it is hard to imagine that trend reversing.

Unionists have no one to blame but themselves. Ten words saved their hide on September 18, 2014: "Nothing else than a modern form of Scottish Home Rule". Ten words they had to redeem, ten words they reneged on. The Union was lost for ten words.


For much of his tenancy of Bute House, Alex Salmond showed spirit but lacked the temperament to coax a sceptical people into the history books. He was an undeniably successful political demagogue but never an instinctive statesman. That is not the case with Nicola Sturgeon. Day by day, she shows that she has what it takes to lead an independent country out into the world. Day by day, I grow more convinced that she will.

http://news.stv.tv/scotland-decides/analysis/1322184-essay-stephen-daisley-on-the-snp-and-the-politics-of-nationalism/

Daisley is neutral ( I cherry picked the above quotes from his piece :A)... very critical of the SNP at times, and his long read/essay on Scottish nationalism today for STV above is certainly worth reading if interested in a more objective assessment ).

Shakethedisease

CLAPTON wrote: »

It's looking good for Holyrood elections:
All the faux outrage will ensure an SNP clean sweep, followed immediately by a demand for a new referendum.

And trident as the new poll tax.

Free at last.

2019 do you ?

Unionist fears raised that SNP will use Holyrood election in 2019 to launch second independence poll...

UNIONIST fears have been raised that the SNP Government will seek to hold the next but one Holyrood election in 2019 - two years earlier than expected - from which to launch a bid for a second independence referendum that summer.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/scottish-politics/unionist-fears-raised-that-snp-will-use-holyrood-election-in-2019-to-laun.128768411

Though the whole thing seems to be just ' unionist fears' at the moment. Nothing to do with the SNP... yet. <

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( do not take this 'yet' seriously. I'm just bantering with you ).

elantan

Robin McAlpine suggested 2020 at the earliest at the HOF day I'm sure, pretty sure he mentioned it at a CW meeting I was at too.... I'm not sure when independence will happen, but I know it will....

CLAPTON

you heard it here first

within 10 year of independence there will be civil disturbances (war) in Scotland:
hatred is never a long term winning strategy

Generali

princeofpounds wrote: »

This is a real back to school moment....


Whether RBS is sold at a loss or a profit does not matter for the deficit, it is a cash inflow.


Nor is whether it is sold at a loss or a profit remotely the fault of George Osborne. That number depends on an 'in-price' that he had nothing to do with. If you wish to criticise the price he sells for, or the value-add/rescue during his oversight, totally fine, but don't judge him based on Gordon Brown's purchase price.

The whole point of the purchase price is that it was overinflated. It was just a way of bailing out RBS: buying shares from RBS for more than they were worth. They could just as easily bought the contents of the stationery cupboard for £15bn: it was just buying assets for more than they're worth. QE works in much the same way only that has another aspect to it: keeping interest rates low.

Tromking

Time to lobby your MP!
FFA for Scotland and an end to the Barnett formula all sorted by 10pm Monday!

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/scottish-politics/snp-challenged-by-labour-to-back-tory-bid-to-fast-track-full-fiscal-auton.128871343

kabayiri

Tromking wrote: »

Time to lobby your MP!
FFA for Scotland and an end to the Barnett formula all sorted by 10pm Monday!

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/scottish-politics/snp-challenged-by-labour-to-back-tory-bid-to-fast-track-full-fiscal-auton.128871343

Voting for FFA could be a crucial step to proving that they have the resolve to go it alone.

Independence would be a mere step away...

or....the day to day financial impact on ordinary Scots could be so onerous as to trigger a backlash against the SNP.

Stick or twist folks!!

kabayiri

elantan wrote: »

personally I am all for 16 year olds voting should they want to, the referendum last year showed many 16 year olds ( and 14 years old for that matter) knew more about the situation than some adults... fascinating that the whole FFA is still floating around, it appears Scotland cant operate on a £7.6bn deficit yet Osborne can afford to loose £7.2bn in his RBS sell off and have a hugely higher deficit than £7.2bn but thats ok

That £7.6bn deficit; it's *every* year Scotland would need it unless the economy grows significantly or swingeing cuts are made.

This figure is on top of the £7bn+ subsidy enjoyed by Scotland as a result of a completely out of date formula nobody likes.

This is where Hamish gets the £14bn+ shortfall from, by a clever process called "addition of 2 numbers".

Generali

kabayiri wrote: »

Voting for FFA could be a crucial step to proving that they have the resolve to go it alone.

Independence would be a mere step away...

or....the day to day financial impact on ordinary Scots could be so onerous as to trigger a backlash against the SNP.

Stick or twist folks!!

An SNP MP could bring in a Private Members Bill for FFA. It'll be interesting to see if one does.

They are very simple to defeat AIUI as I think that they can be fillibustered out of time (an MP can just talk and talk to use up the time allotted to the Bill so there is no time for a vote).

Shakethedisease

Tromking wrote: »

Time to lobby your MP!
FFA for Scotland and an end to the Barnett formula all sorted by 10pm Monday!

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/scottish-politics/snp-challenged-by-labour-to-back-tory-bid-to-fast-track-full-fiscal-auton.128871343

I saw that a few nights ago on Twitter ( Ian Murray tweeted it ).. 'Fast Tracking' FFA. I don't think it's possible. Calman took 8 or 9 years...

But yes, lobby your MP to vote for it. :T