How will the economy be affected by SNP MPs; will it be for richer or for poorer and

IveSeenTheLight

Generali wrote: »

Ask that poster or the Tories is my advice.

I've given my opinion pretty clearly and (I hope) politely.

I did ask that poster

Hopefully, they'll shed some light

P.S., you were extremely polite (as I hope I was), but just saw us going round in circles

Generali

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

I did ask that poster

Hopefully, they'll shed some light

P.S., you were extremely polite (as I hope I was), but just saw us going round in circles

As far as I am concerned you were immaculately polite. I've had a glass or two of wine (which I shouldn't) with dinner so am probably at fault for the circular nature of the conversation.

IME, views on Scotland's current place in the Union are long on opinion and short on fact.

Rinoa

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Some Iranian sanctions are already lifted.

But not the ones allowing them to sell huge quantities of oil ~ and they have the biggest reserves in the world.

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

The figures may be well and repeatedly presented, but based on a base of no change.

With FFA / FFR, the Scottish government would be able to make change in the efforts to adjust the economic plan accordingly.

So we keep hearing. But WHAT changes? What is Queen Nicola going to do to turn round a negative of £9Bn. Surely the Scottish people need some detail - and then you could have a referendum on FFA.

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

That may be, but can we not question it.

I propose that if the voting age is not adjusted and 16 and 17 years olds are exempt from voting, then they should appropriately be exempt from paying taxes as well.

Surely shouldn't be too much impact to the government.

Might make them see the value of allowing 16 & 17 yeards the right as taxpayers of the Uk, to vote.

I could also argue that it is ageist by not allowing them.

Imagine the furor if it was introduced that you couldn't vote after 65

I doubt you would mention any of the above if 16/17 year olds wanted to stay in the union.

kabayiri

Rinoa wrote: »

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So we keep hearing. But WHAT changes? What is Queen Nicola going to do to turn round a negative of £9Bn. Surely the Scottish people need some detail - and then you could have a referendum on FFA.
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Realistically, the best plan for the SNP is to complain about unfairness from Westminster soooo much that the UK government gets fed up and agrees to pay the £9bn as a subsidy every year (put it under "penance fees" for imposing the Poll Tax last century, or stealing the best oil last century).

CLAPTON

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Stop trying to incite differences were there is not.

I believe 16 and 17 should get to vote in all elections / referendums throughout the whole of the UK.

Why try and make an us and them situation?

I truly wish you would grow up as opposed to constantly trying to start arguments on the internet.

Have you ever agreed with anyone on here?

As predicted you have now changed from nonsense about relating paying taxes and voting, to just saying 'I believe'.

Blind faith is an unarguable case.

IveSeenTheLight

CLAPTON wrote: »

As predicted you have now changed from nonsense about relating paying taxes and voting, to just saying 'I believe'.

Blind faith is an unarguable case.

Wake me up when you've got something worthwhile to respond to.

I've changed nothing in this instance.
I'm fully committed and believe in the rights for 16 and 17 year olds to be able to vote. I justified my reasoning by way of explaining that they are eligible to pay taxes, thus should be able to exercise a right to vote for the political party of their choice.

Sometimes, I think you must just have too much time on your hands.

IveSeenTheLight

Rinoa wrote: »

So we keep hearing. But WHAT changes? What is Queen Nicola going to do to turn round a negative of £9Bn. Surely the Scottish people need some detail - and then you could have a referendum on FFA.

We'll, we've seen plenty in here about how the electorate voted for a Conservative government and gave them a mandate for their manifesto, with Cameron saying he wants to bring the country together

We've also seen much condemnation that the SNP are not tabling an amendment to the Scotland Bill to ask for FFA, however it seems like they are going to do so.

http://www.snp.org/media-centre/news/2015/jun/snp-table-amendment-scotland-bill

Let's see if Cameron is willing to listen to the electorate and deliver for Scotland the mandate the Scottish electorate voted for.

Rinoa wrote: »

I doubt you would mention any of the above if 16/17 year olds wanted to stay in the union.

If you run a search, when this was mooted in the Scottish referendum I voiced my preference for it.

The General election and the European Referendum have nothing to do with Scottish Independence, so you shouldn't conflict yourself with these as they are distinctly different.

Labour are also calling for this and they are a Unionist party, along with some Conservative back benchers. It seems this will go to the vote in the House of Commons.

You may not realise it, but Cameron is devolving powers to allow 16 & 17 year old to vote.

You are also doing a disservice to the 16 & 17 year olds who voted no.

In short, you premise that my thoughts are swayed by a previous vote and their individual beliefs in the union are grossly inaccurate.

I've moved on from the referendum of Sept 14, I recommend you should too.

Shakethedisease

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

We'll, we've seen plenty in here about how the electorate voted for a Conservative government and gave them a mandate for their manifesto, with Cameron saying he wants to bring the country together

We've also seen much condemnation that the SNP are not tabling an amendment to the Scotland Bill to ask for FFA, however it seems like they are going to do so.

http://www.snp.org/media-centre/news/2015/jun/snp-table-amendment-scotland-bill

Let's see if Cameron is willing to listen to the electorate and deliver for Scotland the mandate the Scottish electorate voted for.

I've moved on from the referendum of Sept 14,

Unfortunately with this announcement this morning, it seems Better Together are already dusting down the same old 'black hole' predictions as last year and the months following up until the election. Brace yourself for yet another re-run. :cool:

The headlines speak for themselves. http://wingsoverscotland.com/what-happened-next/

Rinoa

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Let's see if Cameron is willing to listen to the electorate and deliver for Scotland the mandate the Scottish electorate voted for.

The UK electorate voted for the current government. If you wanted to rule yourselves Mr Cameron gave you ample opportunity to do so ~ but you declined his generous offer.

I notice you passed on the question of how Nicola was going to turn around your £7.5Bn deficit.

CLAPTON

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Wake me up when you've got something worthwhile to respond to.

I've changed nothing in this instance.
I'm fully committed and believe in the rights for 16 and 17 year olds to be able to vote. I justified my reasoning by way of explaining that they are eligible to pay taxes, thus should be able to exercise a right to vote for the political party of their choice.

Sometimes, I think you must just have too much time on your hands.

You 'believe' in votes for 16 an 17 years old but NOT because they are eligible to pay taxes.

As most people can tell you, new born babies are eligible to pay taxes and they enjoy a tax free allowance of 10,600 for income and a cgt allowance of 11,000.