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It would in an ideal world but, as I said, that would be politically impossible.
Read to the end of the post, not just to the point where you start getting excited.
which bit did I miss?
was that the bit where socialism is so ingrained that alternatives are politically impossible?0 -
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Can you make statements rather than asking questions?
This is meant to be a place where people discuss things not answer a series of leading questions.
no, as I don't know which bit YOU think I missed ; so I have to ask You
but no matter, a sensible discussion has led you to dig a hole ...0 -
no, as I don't know which bit YOU think I missed ; so I have to ask You
but no matter, a sensible discussion has led you to dig a hole ...
No it hasn't.
You have a particular posting style. You ask 3 questions in response to a statement. You do so several times and then post an "A-Ha!" post because you think you've caught someone out.
Congratulations for thinking you won an argument only you were involved in.0 -
No it hasn't.
You have a particular posting style. You ask 3 questions in response to a statement. You do so several times and then post an "A-Ha!" post because you think you've caught someone out.
Congratulations for thinking you won an argument only you were involved in.
ok you won0 -
I don't know about the EU's viability if we left (not sure of it while we're still in, to be honest!), but certainly they would still trade with us. The UK is the biggest EU export destination, especially for Germany (the UK is worth £220billion in exports to them). We buy from the EU more than we sell by somewhere between £55 to £90 billion a year (depending on who you ask).TickersPlaysPop wrote: »If we left the EU, would the rest left in the EU want to trade with us? Would it ruin our relations? Would the EU still be viable without us?
That's what Norway and Switzerland do. And without any trade agreements whatsoever, the US and China do, too. In fact, China represents the EU's biggest importer.TickersPlaysPop wrote: »Can we leave the political union bit but stay in the single market?
The EU is anything but efficient. The passage of TTIP is one example of it - undemocratic corporate stitch up. Trade deals may cost to set up, but currently we're missing out on deals with most of the world. UK exports to EU are declining, whereas they're growing outside of the EU. Why give up our sovereignty and limit ourselves to the other 27 EU countries when there are 169 other countries out there?TickersPlaysPop wrote: »Also, yeah we might save lots of money if we left in donations to the EU, but we would have to spend a lot of money to establish trade deals with each individual country? Maybe that is one benefit to the EU, it is an efficient way to set trade laws between countries within the EU and also between the EU and the rest of the world?
JCB think otherwise, that it is easier to sell outside the EU. The boss of Silver Cross also disagrees. He said his business lost thousands trying to sell prams in France only to hit barriers from classic French protectionism. So much for the free single market, eh?TickersPlaysPop wrote: »Personally, whenever I have dealt with selling outside the EU it is a nightmare, shipping laws and rules and systems are different for each country. The extra costs, taxes and customs clearance costs are also shocking.
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So tear up the agreement signed with the French before we joined the EU for visa-less travel between France and the UK? That agreement, despite EU membership, has never been torn up.ruggedtoast wrote: »What a lot of copying and quoting.
If you want to have to apply for a Schengen visa every time you want to go to France then by all means vote yourself out.
China has similar access without giving up any sovereignty or natural resources. I really don't understand why we should do otherwise. As for largest zone - NAFTA is bigger to which UK exports are growing whilst exports to the EU are shrinking. Add TTIP into the mix and I can safely say EU negotiating trade agreements on our behalf is bad for us!ruggedtoast wrote: »We have unfettered access to the largest economic zone on the planet. A bit more important than "having the ability", which would pretty quickly become a desperate necessity, to negotiate hundreds of trade agreements starting with the Andaman Islands and ending with Zambia.
So no other arguments than copying the EU's doom and gloom if we left? I don't read the Daily Mail, but I'm guessing you read the Guardian? Hmm...ruggedtoast wrote: »I'm not going to bother responding to the rest of the Daily Mail barmy Brussels EU paranoia you cite. Its total nonsense, but is unfortunately believed by a lot of British people. As you have demonstrated.
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schneckster wrote: »Yes, we have free trade... for the low price of £55million per day
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£55 million a day would be equivalent to slightly over £20 billion a year. The actual UK net contribution to the EU budget is anticipated to be less than £10 billion for 2013-14. (See In brief: UK-EU economic relations, HOC briefing paper Number 06091, 3 June 2015.) Thus your number is wrong by a significant margin.schneckster wrote: »...Schneckster
You do realise, don't you, that it's not neccesary to actually sign off your posts? We can see who posted what anyway, and thus it is entirely superfluous.:)0 -
It's actually 28x harder (28 different demands), significantly slower, may not be on our terms and significantly more risky for the host country. Hence why the Canadian one still hasn’t gone through and probably won’t.It's much easier, and far more worthwhile, to negotiate with one entity representing a big market representing almost an entire continent that one little country.
It's virtually a re-run of the same exact arguments and it's no more true now than it was then. The UK is an extremely rich country and trade will continue regardless as it does with the rest of the world.I will listen to the arguments that leaving the EU will destroy trade, in the same way I listened to the arguments that not joining the EUR would destroy trade.
I think you will find it is the same people making the same argument.0
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