Brexit

antrobus

RJP33 wrote: »

It's actually 28x harder (28 different demands), significantly slower, may not be on our terms and significantly more risky for the host country. Hence why the Canadian one still hasn’t gone through and probably won’t.....

The Comprehensive Trade and Economic Agreement with Canada has already been agreed. Ratification is awaited. It is, after all, the world's biggest bilateral trade treaty.

The fact that it took over 5 years to agree demonstrates, yet again, that your self imposed 2 year deadline is unrealistic.

RJP33 wrote: »

...It's virtually a re-run of the same exact arguments and it's no more true now than it was then. The UK is an extremely rich country and trade will continue regardless as it does with the rest of the world.

Straw man argument. No one has suggested otherwise. It doesn't excuse you from being wrong about things, and posting claims that are not correct. Such as the one about Canada's income from customs duties.

RJP33

antrobus wrote: »

The fact that it took over 5 years to agree demonstrates, yet again, that your self imposed 2 year deadline is unrealistic.

Firstly it’s not a self-imposed deadline, that is the transition period outlined in EU rules for leaving.

Secondly the reason it’s taken 5 years, as I’ve explained, is because you have a substantially higher risk negotiating with 28 countries than one developed one. This is obvious common sense and will be the same with TTIP.

[FONT=&quot]And thirdly, that agreement has to be ratified by every province in Canada which is far from assured because of the risk to some of their industry. Canada is a very protective economy.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
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Generali

RJP33 wrote: »

Firstly it’s not a self-imposed deadline, that is the transition period outlined in EU rules for leaving.

Secondly the reason it’s taken 5 years, as I’ve explained, is because you have a substantially higher risk negotiating with 28 countries than one developed one. This is obvious common sense and will be the same with TTIP.

[FONT=&quot]And thirdly, that agreement has to be ratified by every province in Canada which is far from assured because of the risk to some of their industry. Canada is a very protective economy.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
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It took 10 years for China and Australia to negotiate a free trade agreement.

ruggedtoast

There aren't any free trade agreements. They are all quid pro quo. The price of free trade with Europe was being in the European Union. If we expect to have free trade with them after leaving there will be another price.

The No people seem to think countries print them out like bus tickets if you ask for one.

I don't want to suddenly have to pay a 30% premium on everything in Lidl because the UK turns out to be even more inward looking and right wing than I thought it was.

RJP33

Generali wrote: »

It took 10 years for China and Australia to negotiate a free trade agreement.

How long did it take Iceland or Switzerland to negotiate a trade deal with China?

ruggedtoast wrote: »

I don't want to suddenly have to pay a 30% premium on everything in Lidl because the UK turns out to be even more inward looking and right wing than I thought it was.

Given the tariffs the EU currently puts on non-EU goods, prices are more likely to fall than rise.

Being in the EU is inward looking by nature.

ruggedtoast

RJP33 wrote: »

How long did it take Iceland or Switzerland to negotiate a trade deal with China?

Given the tariffs the EU currently puts on non-EU goods, prices are more likely to fall than rise.

Being in the EU is inward looking by nature.

The EU is our main export market and comprises over one third of our imports, so no prices are not likely to go down.

Generali

RJP33 wrote: »

How long did it take Iceland or Switzerland to negotiate a trade deal with China?.

I don't know. I'd start with Google if I were you.

RJP33

The EU imposes tariffs on non-EU goods to make their own competitive (such as those from Africa, which is unfortunate), that will not be an obligation for us to follow should we choose to leave.

People will then have a free choice about which goods to buy.

Generali

RJP33 wrote: »

The EU imposes tariffs on non-EU goods to make their own competitive (such as those from Africa, which is unfortunate), that will not be an obligation for us to follow should we choose to leave.

People will then have a free choice about which goods to buy.

That would rather depend upon the actions of the British Government. I suspect that many (all) sectors and of the economy would be arguing that they are a special case needing 'transitional help'.

Britain was hardly a shining beacon of free market enterprise before joining the EEC.

antrobus

RJP33 wrote: »

Firstly it’s not a self-imposed deadline, that is the transition period outlined in EU rules for leaving.....

Yes it is. You are the one who said "I assume in the 2 year negotiating period, unless our government is insane (let’s put that to one side here), we’ll have signed a bunch of free trade deals with non-EU countries".

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=68574115&postcount=280

I am simply pointing out that your assumption appears unrealistic.

RJP33 wrote: »

...Secondly the reason it’s taken 5 years, as I’ve explained, is because you have a substantially higher risk negotiating with 28 countries than one developed one. This is obvious common sense and will be the same with TTIP. ....

As opposed to what? Negotiating 28 separate trade agreements with 28 different countries?

RJP33 wrote: »

..[FONT=&quot]And thirdly, that agreement has to be ratified by every province in Canada which is far from assured because of the risk to some of their industry. ...[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]The federal government may discuss the country’s position on a particular treaty with the provinces and territories, and may invite their participation in negotiations. However, neither international law nor Canada’s Constitution gives the provinces and territories any formal role in the signature or ratification processes.

http://www.parl.gc.ca/Content/LOP/ResearchPublications/2014-16-e.htm

Seems to be clear enough.:)

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RJP33 wrote: »

..Canada is a very protective economy.

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[FONT=&quot]Canada is a "very protective economy"?[/FONT] You mean the Canada that has signed up to NAFTA? The Canada that has just implemented a FTA with Korea, and has about a dozen different ongoing free trade negotiations? :rotfl: