advise on infared please

System

i watched this at mams i am sure its the same type of heating but a different company.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b05tz9dh/dont-get-done-get-dom-series-9-5-radiator-energy

Cardew

mackemps3 wrote: »

i watched this at mams i am sure its the same type of heating but a different company.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b05tz9dh/dont-get-done-get-dom-series-9-5-radiator-energy

Then check if it is the same type of heating.


Above all remember that all electrical heating - including Infrared - is 100% efficient. So to produce 'X' amount of heat all electrical heaters will use 'Y' amount of electricity.


The only way to get electrical heating cheaper is to pay less per kWh|(unit) which is why storage heaters on off-peak electricity are cheaper to run.


The case of the elderly man spending £10,000 is sad, but is not uncommon!

matelodave

The photos of the "Clear Energy" heating panels are exactly the same as the Optima ones and so is the control unit. It's either the same firm or another one using rebadged equipment.

I had a read of the report from the bloke at Leeds University and it's basically statistical analysis, not proper comparisons between conventional heating and there's no actual data in it . I'm surprised that he put his name on the bottom of it. The other document produced by Logicor is just designed to confound and confuse.

Watching the video just goes to show how gullible people can be when presented with enough plausible but utterly confusing information with the promise of spectacular savings. Nice headboard though to keep your head warm in bed

I just don't see how the Landlord/Housing association has been taken in by it all.

IMO they should be prosecuted by Trading Standards for misrepresentation.

Richie-from-the-Boro

24 hours a day 365 days a year at the expensive tariff rate including water.

Cardew

matelodave wrote: »

I just don't see how the Landlord/Housing association has been taken in by it all.

Cos its GREEN ain't it!


Unfortunately some of these organisations leave procurement to completely unqualified, but well meaning, members of staff.


It doesn't help when the BBC commission an expert who comes out with such rubbish - as Richie above points out. Following this expert's reasoning I was astounded to discover that my 9.5kW electric shower costs £9,986.40 a year to run.

System

i have sent a email to my housing and the link to the bbc programme, i will keep you posted on what happens.

Richie-from-the-Boro

mackemps3,

Assuming you are E7 space & water heating and your last years electricity use in mixex kW was what per annum ? Assuming your last year was £1000 per year including VAT that's £2.73 a day average over all four seasons which as macman #11 says is cheap, but tell the group what you annual kW use was. 4,000kWh over a part year is the wrong end of the telescope you need to know what the annual cost NS type versus annual cost IR type is.

Carlsberg is probably the best etc. """As much as 92.13% saving compared to electrical heating""" could mean you only save 1%, because only 1% means exactly that .. .. 'as much as'. Most HA dwellings already have an EPC of C or above,

What is the EPC of your home ? and how many total kW units of electricity did you use last year ? we will calculate from your EPC and the 90%[ish] promised savings how much energy you will save on both water & space heating by going IR - or how much extra energy you will use per year

System

Richie-from-the-Boro wrote: »

mackemps3,

Assuming you are E7 space & water heating and your last years electricity use in mixex kW was what per annum ? Assuming your last year was £1000 per year including VAT that's £2.73 a day average over all four seasons which as macman #11 says is cheap, but tell the group what you annual kW use was. 4,000kWh over a part year is the wrong end of the telescope you need to know what the annual cost NS type versus annual cost IR type is.

Carlsberg is probably the best etc. """As much as 92.13% saving compared to electrical heating""" could mean you only save 1%, because only 1% means exactly that .. .. 'as much as'. Most HA dwellings already have an EPC of C or above,

What is the EPC of your home ? and how many total kW units of electricity did you use last year ? we will calculate from your EPC and the 90%[ish] promised savings how much energy you will save on both water & space heating by going IR - or how much extra energy you will use per year

Hi, i have only been with my current supplier since oct 24 so i can only give you how many units i have used since then, as i have had a few suppliers and never kept a bill.

But from 24 oct 2014 i have used 6823 night units and 1138 day units i just took a read today.

I do know i only use 6 night units for my electric and thats to heat my hot water that lasts all day never used the immersion heater.

i will not be using any heating till late october as its not cold, so thats 151 days x 6 so you can add another 906 nite units.

And maybe another 500 day units ish it could be more.

I have know idea the EPC, but it does have good double glazed units.

Thanks

matelodave

It's unlikely that your place will have an EPC better than D, E or even F unless it was very recently built, which I suspect it wasn't - they wouldn't be replacing the heating if it was.

I don't know what your E7 rates are but based on your usage say around 8000 night units and 2000 day units = 10,000 units total (which sounds quite low) you do the sums using your own E7 tariff then see what it would cost on a single rate tariff.

If I do the sums for where I live (East Anglia) just swapping 10,000kwh from E7 (8000n/2000d) about £800 to a single rate about £1150 would cost me £350 extra a year. So you'd have to reduce your consumption by 3000 kwh/year to break even by going onto a single rate tariff.

Be careful because they've got a calculator which I'm sure will be brought out to demonstrate how much less you'll use.

System

Well just a little update. the company came out and measured n stuff. And then talked for a while about how good the system was.

I asked how much a day would it cost me to run the heating and what tariff i would need to be on,

He says no more than 50p per day that's to keep the flat 21c day n and night, (mmm ok).

He also says a 10p single day tariff (i google and found 1)

And then give me a story of a woman how had the system, and the energy company phoning her and asking if there was on changes as her electric use had gone down so much (mmm yeah right).

They also do instant hot water, my tank would have to go and he says its cheaper to run a bath using instant, i asked how many units to run a bath (i only use 6 night units costs about 34p per night) but he didnt know as it was still in testing stages.

So i got a email of the housing and they says Logicor says it will work out £1.50 perday to heat my flat (he told me no more than 50p), i says to the housing its pointless try the system if its not going to save any money as its just wasting the housings money if its not going to work. (that was on Friday teatime so i never got a response as it was closed).

But i said i will wait for the you (the housing) to get all the details off logicor and see what they say.

Thanks