advise on infared please

Cardew

mackemps3 wrote: »

I will let you know next week what the company has to say when they come out to measure up.

Forgot to add, get them to put their claims in writing in unambiguous terms. i.e. not 'savings of UP TO xx% can be expected.'

System

i will ask how many kw of electric will the system use to heat my flat per hour, as i want to know in the middle of winter it could be runnning from about 9am till 11pm (like i did with gsh) thats not every day but it will be good to know just incase.

I really do want to be positive about this but untill i know about the kw per hour i cant decide.

When i say i have agreed to the trial i can still say no.

System

Cardew wrote: »

So you can have all your IR heating on at maximum all year, and use as much Hot Water as you wish and the Housing Association will pay the difference? For Ever? Really?


As you say, heating and hot water will obviously cost more than NSH; so what is the purpose of the trial?


If the Housing Association are going to pick up the bill for any increase in your electricity bill - forever, then go for IR heating. Leave the immersion heater on 24/7, get a big electrical patio heater, use a tumble dryer frequently, house a little cold? use several 3kW fan heaters(costing £10) - open widows if it gets too hot.

lol, i hope you were joking why would i want to use it all year that's crazy.

No, the housing has my electric bills and it shows how much i use for day and for night

Cardew

mackemps3 wrote: »

i will ask how many kw of electric will the system use to heat my flat per hour, as i want to know in the middle of winter it could be runnning from about 9am till 11pm (like i did with gsh) thats not every day but it will be good to know just incase.

I really do want to be positive about this but untill i know about the kw per hour i cant decide.

The purpose of IR heating is not to 'heat your flat'; it heats objects (i.e. the occupants).


To heat a room, or the whole flat to a specific temperature(e.g. 20C), IR heaters will consume exactly the same amount of electricity as any other electrical heater - from a £10 fan heater upwards.

Owain_Moneysaver

Cardew wrote: »

To heat a room, or the whole flat to a specific temperature(e.g. 20C), IR heaters will consume exactly the same amount of electricity as any other electrical heater - from a £10 fan heater upwards.

The difference is, of course, that using peak rate daytime electricity, each of those kWh will cost about three times as much as using off-peak electricity charging up a night storage heater.

macman

mackemps3 wrote: »

i will ask how many kw of electric will the system use to heat my flat per hour, as i want to know in the middle of winter it could be runnning from about 9am till 11pm (like i did with gsh) thats not every day but it will be good to know just incase.

I really do want to be positive about this but untill i know about the kw per hour i cant decide.

When i say i have agreed to the trial i can still say no.

The same number as now. But that question is irrelevant-what matters is the cost per kWh. And as pointed out above, you are signing up for a tariff about 300% more expensive.
Stick with NSH's and E7, there is no 'magic IR solution'.

Richie-from-the-Boro

mackemps3,

You boil a kettle containing a 1.5 pints of water, when that water reaches 100 °C the kettle switches off. You heat your living area to 21 °C, when it reaches 21 °C the heating switches off. The average kettle holds 1.5 pints and uses about one unit of electricity to boil 12 pints of water [or 8 x 1.5 pint-full kettles, so that’s around 2.5p every time you boil a full kettle.

You live in a room in the winter that you heat to 21 °C with NSCH and whatever that costs you in £'s the idea that you can heat your room to 21 °C with infra and give 365 days of 150 gallons of water per year heated to 60 °C for 60% less than you can with NSCH is pure Paul Daniels magic garbage. Convection ovens, de-icing aircraft, temperature controlled library archives I can buy but domestic heating that costs 60% less and is comfortable I don't buy unless you have 4 of them mounted on your ceiling pointed down. Ebay and other places is littered with £1500 per unit magic infra heaters being sold for £50 each that people have dumped.

I said to you in an earlier thread, get it in writing and get a solicitor to check the 'four corners of the contract'. Get your solicitor to make a new contract in writing with the housing association that you can at any time, without loss, pull out of the infra trial and have a brand new water & heat Dimplex Quantum system installed and your home decorated and made good. Best of luck.

System

Richie-from-the-Boro wrote: »

mackemps3,

You boil a kettle containing a 1.5 pints of water, when that water reaches 100 °C the kettle switches off. You heat your living area to 21 °C, when it reaches 21 °C the heating switches off. The average kettle holds 1.5 pints and uses about one unit of electricity to boil 12 pints of water [or 8 x 1.5 pint-full kettles, so that’s around 2.5p every time you boil a full kettle.

You live in a room in the winter that you heat to 21 °C with NSCH and whatever that costs you in £'s the idea that you can heat your room to 21 °C with infra and give 365 days of 150 gallons of water per year heated to 60 °C for 60% less than you can with NSCH is pure Paul Daniels magic garbage. Convection ovens, de-icing aircraft, temperature controlled library archives I can buy but domestic heating that costs 60% less and is comfortable I don't buy unless you have 4 of them mounted on your ceiling pointed down. Ebay and other places is littered with £1500 per unit magic infra heaters being sold for £50 each that people have dumped.

I said to you in an earlier thread, get it in writing and get a solicitor to check the 'four corners of the contract'. Get your solicitor to make a new contract in writing with the housing association that you can at any time, without loss, pull out of the infra trial and have a brand new water & heat Dimplex Quantum system installed and your home decorated and made good. Best of luck.

I do agree with everything you say, i really cant see how they can save me any money, but i will let them come out this week and see what they do have to say.

I just want them to tell me after the have measured my flat how much it will cost to run per hour.

matelodave

They won't be able to tell you that, they might guess how many kwh a year you might use and then you can try working out how much that would be at E7 rates and at single tariff rates.

Unless you are having significant other work done to improve the insulation, double glazing and draught proofing then you'll use approximately the same number of kwh with the new heating as with the old. The new heaters can't defeat the rules of thermodynamics

The new heaters will still need to provide the same amount of heat in kwh to try to keep the house at the same temperature as before. However the house won't stay as cosy and you might not feel as warm as before so may end up having them on for longer.

You will also end up having to heat your hot water at single rate costs which would significantly increase the cost of heating your water.

There will be no benefit in having an E7 tariff anymore because you'll be using virtually all of your leccy at the peak times (unless you sleep all day and just heat the house overnight)

Keep us all posted though as we'd like to hear what they are offering

Cardew

matelodave wrote: »

Keep us all posted though as we'd like to hear what they are offering

This will presumably be the basis of their claims(I got the name of the firm by PM from the OP)


http://www.clear-heater.co.uk/save-energy.html


The examples are interesting!


As much as 92.13% saving compared to electrical heating and 65.58% saving compared to gas heating!!!


Wow, Pity it doesn't seem to explain how these savings are made.