Sanctions' figures

backdoorwarrior

billywilly wrote: »

In all of those examples, no one has specifically died due to being sanctioned. There was a pre existing cause in all cases. There can only be one case where this may happen is if someone kills themselves BECAUSE of the worry and stress of not receiving an income. However even in those cases there will have been a pre existing mental health condition.
People who find themselves attempting suicide, would also have done it for many other reasons.
To say categorically that receiving a sanction will result in a healthy person killing themselves is ridiculous.

The purpose of those articles is to dramatize and take out of context what can happen if a sanction is issued.
This is done by a certain section of society that thinks that no one should be sanctioned and that the DWP are making it too hard for people to claim a benefit.

Pre-existing cause being their disability?

This site really needs an ignore button, so people can block the users who post nonsense.

Richard_Cranium

tea-bag wrote: »

You want free money play by the rules and you won't get sanctioned simple.

Free money? I know a few f e c k l e s s benefit claimants that paid into the system for probably more years than you have been alive, and are being made to jump through hoops for a pittance after claiming their entitlement.

tea-bag

Richard_Cranium wrote: »

Free money? I know a few f e c k l e s s benefit claimants that paid into the system for probably more years than you have been alive, and are being made to jump through hoops for a pittance after claiming their entitlement.

Good and so they should. Yes it is FREE MONEY because you don't pay in and expect to get out.

nannytone_2

what about people that have been paying in and now can't because they are disabled?
i paid in for 31 years .... doesn't that count in your world?

some people may have health issues and need to see their doctor more or go to the hospital for specialist treatment.
do you bleat because they are receiving more NHS treatment than you, or are you just grateful that you're healthier than they are?

i must be making you weep. i receive ESA and DLA. have had 2 operations, had 2 children and have had the normal number of A and E visits in my life.
obviously you only see these things as a monetary value and tot it up against what i have paid in.
you also seem to forget than most disabled people have had no choice in their illness/disability, yet you make it seem as if were over the moon to be disabled so we can get all this 'free' money

tea-bag

nannytone wrote: »

what about people that have been paying in and now can't because they are disabled?
i paid in for 31 years .... doesn't that count in your world?

some people may have health issues and need to see their doctor more or go to the hospital for specialist treatment.
do you bleat because they are receiving more NHS treatment than you, or are you just grateful that you're healthier than they are?

i must be making you weep. i receive ESA and DLA. have had 2 operations, had 2 children and have had the normal number of A and E visits in my life.
obviously you only see these things as a monetary value and tot it up against what i have paid in.
you also seem to forget than most disabled people have had no choice in their illness/disability, yet you make it seem as if were over the moon to be disabled so we can get all this 'free' money

Entitlement is not what this debate is about, it is about people thinking that they can sit at home and go about doing anything they want not being answerable to anybody with no fear of this free money being taken away.

nannytone_2

so you think disabled people sit at home all day , counting money and thanking god they have a disability?
the ESA criteria has little or nothing to do with illness or disability.
it is purely a box ticking venture.
being placed in the WRAG has almost nothing to do with how able or unable someone is to work.

prime example.
i first claimed ESA in 2011, i was placed in the WRAG. i was seen twice at the job centre and then not seen again because the advisor couldn't think of anything that i could do, without experience because i am blind.
in january 2014 i was reassessed ( was sent no forms, so no additional evidence) and placed in the support group.
was i any more blind? no. they changed the descriptor that applied to my condition.
so one day i could have been sanctioned, and the following they consider me unsuitable for any type of work.,
yet my condition is 100% the same

tea-bag

nannytone wrote: »

so you think disabled people sit at home all day , counting money and thanking god they have a disability?
the ESA criteria has little or nothing to do with illness or disability.
it is purely a box ticking venture.
being placed in the WRAG has almost nothing to do with how able or unable someone is to work.

prime example.
i first claimed ESA in 2011, i was placed in the WRAG. i was seen twice at the job centre and then not seen again because the advisor couldn't think of anything that i could do, without experience because i am blind.
in january 2014 i was reassessed ( was sent no forms, so no additional evidence) and placed in the support group.
was i any more blind? no. they changed the descriptor that applied to my condition.
so one day i could have been sanctioned, and the following they consider me unsuitable for any type of work.,
yet my condition is 100% the same

Do you feel there is no work you could do?

billywilly

backdoorwarrior wrote: »

Pre-existing cause being their disability?

This site really needs an ignore button, so people can block the users who post nonsense.

Quite possibly. But it still doesn't mean that sanctions are the direct cause of death, they may contribute, but certainly don't cause it.
Sanctions are a very important part of the benefit system. Without them everybody would be free to do as they wanted with no consequences being applied.
I've never had one and I don't know anybody else that has. We follow the rules no matter how difficult or stupid they may be. Do as you are told and you will have a stress free life.

nannytone_2

tea-bag wrote: »

Do you feel there is no work you could do?

i would love to be working again, but i don't know what i would be able to do as all my experience has been in jobs that needed sight.
apart from basic englis/maths/IT ( all in a class for sighted people) there are no courses available.
there is little/no provision for blind/partially sighted people, and employers aren't that keen unless you have a speciality.
most blind workers are in managerial positions and haven't lost their sight at an age where adapting to the workplace is extremely difficult.
i have done mentoring and advocacy courses ( not through the job centre... through my own endeavour) but they don't really lead to work....
although when i told the job centre about the advocacy course, they pilled up a job as a 'mobile advocate' and asked if i wanted to apply. they were trying to be helpful but had no grasp of the situation and were totally at a loss in how to help.
they did ask if i wanted to go on the work programme but i declined, as they have no specialist help available on have found exactly 0 ( zero) jobs for anyone that is severely sight impaired. they just 'park' them, whilst making them jump through the hopps

tea-bag

nannytone wrote: »

i would love to be working again, but i don't know what i would be able to do as all my experience has been in jobs that needed sight.
apart from basic englis/maths/IT ( all in a class for sighted people) there are no courses available.
there is little/no provision for blind/partially sighted people, and employers aren't that keen unless you have a speciality.
most blind workers are in managerial positions and haven't lost their sight at an age where adapting to the workplace is extremely difficult.
i have done mentoring and advocacy courses ( not through the job centre... through my own endeavour) but they don't really lead to work....
although when i told the job centre about the advocacy course, they pilled up a job as a 'mobile advocate' and asked if i wanted to apply. they were trying to be helpful but had no grasp of the situation and were totally at a loss in how to help.
they did ask if i wanted to go on the work programme but i declined, as they have no specialist help available on have found exactly 0 ( zero) jobs for anyone that is severely sight impaired. they just 'park' them, whilst making them jump through the hopps

I think you are mistaken. Your disability is does not show or come across on this forum. Your advice is highly respected and appreciated on this site. People make a good living trouble shooting, helping people and responding to queries etc. And this is something you must enjoy. I am unaware of the software you use at home but I am sure this could be accommodated by most employers IT departments.

You have great gamma, punctuation and can articulate yourself very well in conversation. I think you have missed your vocation. I myself deal with customers everyday over 300 today face to face I met zero, on the phone two and the rest on the computer.

Try different things you might surprise yourself.