Sanctions' figures

billywilly

FBaby wrote: »

The way it is coming across is that those descriptors can easily be manipulated to say anything.

Of course they can. You only have to read the blurb that comes from the 'Benefits & Work' website as well as other well known ones. They actively promote the methods on how you can legally manipulate the descriptors to give best fit and thus have an advantage over others that are a little more naive like yourself and have the cards weighed more in your favour when asking the DWP for a favourable decision.

At least with this site and especially this forum, you will not be told anything other than to tell the truth when completing the ESA50 form and at the face to face assessment. There are no offers of how to maximise your chances or how to use loopholes that are built into the system.

nannytone_2

tea-bag wrote: »

Blind I sort of understand due to obstacles however most blind people won't drive alone so would have some help. Most just see a blue badge as a added perk.

i only ever use a disabled space if it would be hazardous to park elsewhere ( my dentist is on a really busy road, so we use 1 of the 2 disabled bats. if one is already in use, then we park sown a side street and risk crossing the road)
obviously blind people aren't in a car on their own, but you assume that it is only the blind person and the driver.
i go out with my daughter and her 2 year old, and it is almost impossible for her to watch a 2 year old and me at the same time so i walk independently.
great in a pedestrianised area, not so great crossing a busy car park!

tea-bag

nannytone wrote: »

i only ever use a disabled space if it would be hazardous to park elsewhere ( my dentist is on a really busy road, so we use 1 of the 2 disabled bats. if one is already in use, then we park sown a side street and risk crossing the road)
obviously blind people aren't in a car on their own, but you assume that it is only the blind person and the driver.
i go out with my daughter and her 2 year old, and it is almost impossible for her to watch a 2 year old and me at the same time so i walk independently.
great in a pedestrianised area, not so great crossing a busy car park!

I totally agree with you being blind is one of the in between ones.

skintpaul

Did the fall in OP relate to the people who died?

mattcanary

FBaby wrote: »

But benefits shouldn't be seen as security, this is the issue. This is why there are sanctions in place, to make it clear that relying on benefits for a regular income is no more secure than trying to gain security from employment.

Being on benefits is stressful, but so is work. If it wasn't stressful, then what incentive anyone would have to consider working again? A certain level of stress is inevitable whatever situation we are in. It's all relative. People in this country think they are under huge amount of stress, but if we compare it to those who life depends on finding food, shelter etc... for survival, our level of stress would be considered next to nil. The problem is that our level of resilience is at an all time low, so we as a society cope less and less well with any type of stress, leading increasing cases of anxiety and depression.

People need to take more responsibility. This for one mean not to have kids before finishing a certain level of education or training and ideally gaining some work experience so that even if you stop working, your chances of gaining employment again where you can be self-sufficient, albeit with some help with childcare costs, is higher. Unfortunately, there is a strong link between women having children at a young age and reliance of benefits for many years to come. I heard a conversation at the train station some time ago between two young mothers that left me aghast. Clearly one was a single mum and she was telling the second one laughing that as long as she continued to have kids every 5 years until she is well in her 40s, she will be able to claim tax credits until she retires and then claim pension credits never having to work. They both thought it was very funny. I thought it was the saddest thing I had heard for a long time.

Maybe it was black humour? Just as surgeons treating critically ill patients in hospital regularly use this.
If you can't laugh about things, you'd probably kill yourself.

BlueEyedGirl

tea-bag wrote: »

Entitlement is not what this debate is about, it is about people thinking that they can sit at home and go about doing anything they want not being answerable to anybody with no fear of this free money being taken away.

But in another post recently you don't think people claiming ESA or sickness benefits should be studying or volunteering. So what is it to be, study to better themselves, volunteer or sit at home and do nothing.

NYM

:undecided This thread is 4 months old...

Confuseddot

NYM wrote: »

:undecided This thread is 4 months old...

Tea-bag upset someone can't you tell :beer:

BlueEyedGirl

NYM wrote: »

:undecided This thread is 4 months old...

I wasn't around 4 months ago so I could not comment then. Plenty of threads are dragged up that are older than 4 months old!

Confuseddot wrote: »

Tea-bag upset someone can't you tell :beer:

You think?

rogerblack

BlueEyedGirl wrote: »

I wasn't around 4 months ago so I could not comment then. Plenty of threads are dragged up that are older than 4 months old!

You think?

If you bring up a thread by going through that posters prior messages, you are _NOT_ responding to the thread, you are responding to the poster.
Doing this to engage with trolls and revive a thread where they were trolling, simply to point out that they were trolling in other places is almost never useful.