We’d like to remind Forumites to please avoid political debate on the Forum.
This is to keep it a safe and useful space for MoneySaving discussions. Threads that are – or become – political in nature may be removed in line with the Forum’s rules. Thank you for your understanding.
📨 Have you signed up to the Forum's new Email Digest yet? Get a selection of trending threads sent straight to your inbox daily, weekly or monthly!
Sanctions' figures
Comments
-
missbiggles1 wrote: »I tend to find stupidity annoying - don't you?
Well not particularly, but who do you think is being stupid and why?0 -
-
My wife is a teacher (head of year) in a secondary school most of the kids come from single parent / deprived backgrounds. She gets 2 or 3 forms a week to sign for people trying to claim disability for their kids, she now refuses to sign them and gets abusive phone calls for it. Most of the time the kids are out of control but the parents want the LABEL and the CASH!
The school where I am a Governor, refuses to complete ANY and ALL support letters if they are for a welfare benefit. Far too many parents see their children as a possible 'cash cow'.0 -
billywilly wrote: »Yes people conveniently forget to add ALL of the benefits together and treat the total as net income after tax & NIC and all work expenses (travel, lunches, clothes etc) as if they had to work for a living.
You say people conveniently forget as if that is somehow an advantage to them.0 -
i DIDNT seteriorate.But if I recall properly, you deteriorated during that period, hence ending up in the Support group, so it's not that surprising they didn't know what to do with you.
The problem with the WRAG group is that there is little they can. I believe that people on it do NOT have to attend meetings, and many don't, and still do nothing on their own to try to ease themselves back into employment.
they just tweaked the support group descriptors and so i suddenly met one that i hadn't before.
so same condition, one week i am capable of work related activity and the next i am not.
how many people do you think that miss out on meeting a descriptor by a fraction?
thousands
most people in the WRAG DO have to attend meetings at the job centre, with many of those mandated to the work programme or voluntary work.
fine, if they are capable.
but we are talking about people that have been assessed as unfit for work who are being pushed into activities by someone ( jc+ advisors/work programme advisors) who have NO medical knowledge who therefore aren't in a position to decide what 'ill' people are capable of doing!0 -
DLA have always written to the school and gp themselves for my dd's claim.
I have never asked them to fill it in.
The only thing they signed for me was her disabled bus pass.
It is virtually impossible to defraud dla nowadays.
Using the term cash cow for parents getting dla money is quiet frankly disgusting.
Especially from someone who used to claim dla himself.
Maybe these children have autism and that is why they are out of control.0 -
You say people conveniently forget as if that is somehow an advantage to them.
Some people will think a claimant may be having hard times financially when they say all they receive is x and y but don't mention HB and CTC because they don't actually see the money. When receiving any benefits or wages it's best to include everything for clarity when posting about income. I don't get annoyed about it personally, I just like to see all the information.It's someone else's fault.0 -
The problem with the WRAG group is that there is little they can. I believe that people on it do NOT have to attend meetings, and many don't, and still do nothing on their own to try to ease themselves back into employment.
You are wrong.
People on ESA can be mandated to do everything except actually apply for work, or do work, or undergo medical treatment. (*)
They can be required to go on courses, do job-searches, write CVs, do unpaid work for unlimited times, ...
There is much less limitation on what they can be required to do that what people on JSA can be required to do.
Sanctions if this is not complied with can amount to the whole of the personal allowance, leaving them just 25 or so quid a week.
The above requirements should be 'reasonable' - but this is reasonable in the view of one single adviser or work program provider, who will not have a copy of your ESA file, just the 'headline' condition.
There is no way to appeal this decision if they refuse to reconsider, you can only be sanctioned and appeal it.
Not attending WFIs (without them accepting good cause), or any other thing you are required to do will lead to a sanction unless you are found to have good cause.
*) There are trials for requiring people to undergo medical treatment - this has serious problems.
If it provides services that the claimant can't access without an extended wait quickly - great!
If it is a largely unqualified person mandating treatments from a list, this may be problematic.
For example, for chronic fatigue syndrome, CBT has been found useful for those with it under 6 months, and it is now on the NICE recommendations list.
'Yay thinks the person - refer him, next claimant'.
Not reading closely that it's not been found to be effective for people >6 months.
Getting to a location likely 50 miles away, even by taxi is problematic alone, never mind getting back.
At the best case, I can rest doing nothing for 5 days beforehand, be tired enough doing this that I'm unable to wash/cook/dress/do anything for the next week.
Worst case, I am unable to dress and get out to the taxi, or get to the appointment, and am so tired and exhausted that I won't be able to deal with the sanction letter when it arrives several days later.0 -
billywilly wrote: »The school where I am a Governor, refuses to complete ANY and ALL support letters if they are for a welfare benefit. Far too many parents see their children as a possible 'cash cow'.
Another arrow to your bow Billy. I am really astonished as to your many talents.0 -
This discussion has been closed.
Confirm your email address to Create Threads and Reply
Categories
- All Categories
- 352.1K Banking & Borrowing
- 253.5K Reduce Debt & Boost Income
- 454.2K Spending & Discounts
- 245.1K Work, Benefits & Business
- 600.7K Mortgages, Homes & Bills
- 177.4K Life & Family
- 258.9K Travel & Transport
- 1.5M Hobbies & Leisure
- 16.2K Discuss & Feedback
- 37.6K Read-Only Boards