Sanctions' figures

backdoorwarrior

billywilly wrote: »

You may well be offended, I'm offended that the tax that I pay isn't given to the right people instead of those that have spent a lifetime in educating themselves on how to make successful benefit claims.

Is there evidence this is indeed the case?

billywilly

nannytone wrote: »

[the cap of £500 is for a family and not an individual.
you really need to focus on the facts before you criticise.
the cap is £350 for any single adult ( unless disabled)
to be honest. i'd be incredibly surprised if anyone received that amount outside of london./B]

I was making a point concerning a couple and one of them going out to work full time to support the family.

OK, the accepted level of £350 a week for a single person - that's over 50 hours a week @ NMW!!
Who would want to work those hours to get what the government would give them for doing nothing?

Forget London that is a poor example. The average rental for a 1 bed flat here is £225 which just about hits the max HB, so no contribution needed. Then we have CTS not forgetting JSA. That more or less matches the £350 a week.

I have to admit that 5 years ago when I turned 60 I calculated what benefits I would have got and compared it to what I was earning net of all travel expenses etc. If I had have claimed for everything (being disabled) we, as a couple would have cleared close to £700 a week in benefits - I was netting £422 a week at work a week.

billywilly

Mersey wrote: »

Perhaps because it's a forum for claimants and appellants seeking advice and how to maximise their benefit entitlement?.

Yes it's as though no one wants you to rock the boat and in doing so, give the government an opportunity to consider reducing/cutting these benefits.

billywilly

backdoorwarrior wrote: »

Is there evidence this is indeed the case?

Well then you haven't visited the AGEuk offices and asked if they believe that all of the deserving people have received their full benefit entitlement.
You haven't been into hospital when you are told by the hospital SW that you should have been claiming XY & Z.for (in my case) 7 years ( worked out to over £40,000 lost)

Even the government figures confirm that billions each year go unclaimed for JSA, ESA , HB, IS, Pension Credit & Industrial Injuries Benefit

Yet the long term so called unemployed and sick, appear to have it sewn up and are claiming every damn penny they can get hold of. You only have to read the posts on this forum - what am I entitled to and how do I get it?

Londonsu

Bloke next door has been sanctioned because where we live the first local bus doesn't leave early enough to get into the centre of town in time for onward buses to get people to work at 9am so he refuses to apply for jobs that mean he has to walk 15 minutes for a more regular service.


Sounds awful doesn't it, no buses not his fault, nasty evil Tories, except that age 60 I do that walk EVERY morning, my 66 year old Husband with mobility problems and 1/2 blind with a cataract does it 3/4 times a week, yet a fit healthy 20 something refuses to do it. BTW Yes I DO know he is fit and healthy seeing as him and his mates are playing cricket in the street outside as I am typing this.

backdoorwarrior

billywilly wrote: »

Well then you haven't visited the AGEuk offices and asked if they believe that all of the deserving people have received their full benefit entitlement.
You haven't been into hospital when you are told by the hospital SW that you should have been claiming XY & Z.for (in my case) 7 years ( worked out to over £40,000 lost)

Even the government figures confirm that billions each year go unclaimed for JSA, ESA , HB, IS, Pension Credit & Industrial Injuries Benefit

Yet the long term so called unemployed and sick, appear to have it sewn up and are claiming every damn penny they can get hold of. You only have to read the posts on this forum - what am I entitled to and how do I get it?

So if you'd been claiming for seven years, wouldn't you be the long term sick?

backdoorwarrior

Londonsu wrote: »

Bloke next door has been sanctioned because where we live the first local bus doesn't leave early enough to get into the centre of town in time for onward buses to get people to work at 9am so he refuses to apply for jobs that mean he has to walk 15 minutes for a more regular service.


Sounds awful doesn't it, no buses not his fault, nasty evil Tories, except that age 60 I do that walk EVERY morning, my 66 year old Husband with mobility problems and 1/2 blind with a cataract does it 3/4 times a week, yet a fit healthy 20 something refuses to do it. BTW Yes I DO know he is fit and healthy seeing as him and his mates are playing cricket in the street outside as I am typing this.

So he's not been paid for trying to game the system? Sounds like it's working to me :j

backdoorwarrior

stevemLS wrote: »

Why is it whenever anyone posts something suggesting that perhaps the system might be too generous they are instantly flooded with posts scolding them for talking on this board about benefits policy and told to shuffle off to discussion time.

When, on the other hand ....

Just wondering.

If you want to moan about people claiming benefits to help them survive, then the comment section of the Daily Mail is probably the more appropriate forum for you. Rather than an advice board that's even frequented by Citizens Advice

I wouldn't hang around a Muslim Chatroom complaining about Halal now, would I

billywilly

backdoorwarrior wrote: »

So if you'd been claiming for seven years, wouldn't you be the long term sick?

Err no - who said anything about being 'long term sick'?

These were two benefits that would have paid out simply because of fact based evidence. They are being paid out now and the DWP have confirmed that I was entitled to them for the 7 years prior to 2010, but as no claim was made they cannot backdate the award.

Much like asking the LA to backdate a HB application and they confirming that had you put in a claim years earlier, the benefit would have been in payment for the past 7 years and you would not have been evicted due to rent arrears. Answer was tough luck, you should have claimed. Or someone who had a terminal diagnosis didn't put a claim in for DLA and died 9 months later. The DWP will not make a retrospective award even in those circumstances following the death.

The value of these awards averaged out over that 7 year period at just over £110 a week.

konark

I don't really understand the figures.

It said today 750,000 people were getting JSA.

Last year 606,000 people on JSA were sanctioned.
, which was a reduction from 2013.

So almost everybody (80%) on JSA was sanctioned?

But Govt figures say just 6%!

That would mean 10 million people were claiming JSA , a third of the workforce!