Sanctions' figures

rogerblack

billywilly wrote: »

Who said anything about the 'disabled' being sanctioned? Only those in the Work Group of ESA can be sanctioned and given the name of the group, those that are in it are supposed to be getting ready to go back to work.
This would not apply to those in the Support Group..

People with progressive and incurable diseases who are never expected by the DWP to work again are not automatically put in the support group.
They are often in the work-related group.

Expecting people with mental illnesses, physical problems, and ... to comply with directions works just fine when all staff are competent and take every effort to make sure that the claimants understand and are able to do what they are required to.

billywilly

giddypenguin wrote: »

I understand sanctions are needed to ensure people do not take the Michael out of the system. However, the harsh use of sanctions as a punishment, without fair warning for minor breaches of the rules, often without right of appeal outlined were seen as unfair.

This is in some cases (although not all, I grant you) the only (very limited) income of a person. How stopping people's only source of income for weeks on end is conductive to them getting a job is beyond me. How could you go on to search for a job when you have no money, are worrying about your next meal, heating or electric. Not to mention how you are supposed to get ready for an interview if you can't afford to wash your clothes/have a shower/get the bus...

Then they should have obeyed the rules. You don't get a sanction for being a good boy and doing what you are told to do. Maybe they will follow the instructions in future.

billywilly

backdoorwarrior wrote: »

This is what the public wanted though. We've essentially gone back in time to the period of workhouses etc.

Not at all. The DWP/JC+ are only enforcing the rules. If there was no risk of a sanction then everybody would do as they please.

lovinituk

backdoorwarrior wrote: »

they just tell us that more disabled people are being sanctioned.

Or maybe they tell us that more people are being found out for faking their disabilities.

You can't tell anything for sure from those stats.

billywilly

rogerblack wrote: »

People with progressive and incurable diseases who are never expected by the DWP to work again are not automatically put in the support group.
They are often in the work-related group.

Expecting people with mental illnesses, physical problems, and ... to comply with directions works just fine when all staff are competent and take every effort to make sure that the claimants understand and are able to do what they are required to.

The responsibility lies with the claimant if they believe that they have been put in the wrong group.
ESA is not and never has been set aside to test if someone is ever expected to work again. And it isn't there to test if you are fit for work or what work they should be doing.
It is simply a series of set descriptors that you have to be scored against..

SailorSam

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-32719554

billywilly

lovinituk wrote: »

Or maybe they tell us that more people are being found out for faking their disabilities.

You can't tell anything for sure from those stats.

More like faking their ability or non ability to work due to a myriad of outlandish 'illnesses'.

If you read the various stats, Arthritis and back pain seem to be the common conditions. So presumably everyone with those conditions should be getting 'compensation' for them. Thank goodness that they are not.

backdoorwarrior

billywilly wrote: »

More like faking their ability or non ability to work due to a myriad of outlandish 'illnesses'.

If you read the various stats, Arthritis and back pain seem to be the common conditions. So presumably everyone with those conditions should be getting 'compensation' for them. Thank goodness that they are not.

I have arthritis. One day it could well be too severe for me to work, as I am only in my early thirties so I expect it to progress. What relevance is it that they both are common conditions?

nannytone_2

i agree with roger black.
being in the support group really isn't an indicator of how sick or disabled an individual is ... it merely means that you tick the right box.

i also agree that people should be prepared to hump through the necessary hoops to claim specific benefits.
i am offended by the term 'free money' as it applies to very few claimants.

do people really think that others are glad to be disabled because they can receive less than they could earn if they worked full time?

billywilly

backdoorwarrior wrote: »

I have arthritis. One day it could well be too severe for me to work, as I am only in my early thirties so I expect it to progress. What relevance is it that they both are common conditions?

Because there can be no proof as to the extent those two conditions affect people. There will be medical !!!!!! that the condition exists but not to the extent of the symptoms claimed.

It's a bit like telling the DWP that you are in agony with them, and asking the DWP to disprove what you are saying - they can't! So those two conditions are open to widespread abuse depending on how honest the claimant is.