McDonald's

unholyangel

LilElvis wrote: »

Personally I would rather scroll through a wall of text than eat one of their burgers - it's easier to digest.

I've never tried desperate2save's burgers but I'm sure they're just as good as anyone else's (except mcdonalds ofc)

LilElvis

desperate2save wrote: »

Thank you, I have deleted it, and my other post, just easier than upsetting the lords! I am new to this online forum and found this thread very interesting but will keep my 2 pennies worth out and just read in future!

Feel free to join in, the forum is better for input from every perspective. It's just usually better to post a link to a large amount of information rather than paste a whole page of text. Please don't be put off - my post was more a comment on how I personally feel about McDonalds than on your input.

JJG

pvt wrote: »

or a power company selling you 'green' energy it bought from an oil-fired power station,

You know there is no way for a power company to specifically route "green" electricity to your house?

pvt

JJG wrote: »

You know there is no way for a power company to specifically route "green" electricity to your house?

Yes, I do know that.

The way it works is that providers buy the amount of energy that their customers consume, and are responsible for negotiating contracts with the electricity generators to meet the consumption of their customers. Providers with green tariffs buy the amount of energy they sell on those green tariffs from renewable sources.

So if, on average, a provider is not sourcing as much energy from renewable sources as it sells on green tariffs, then it's defrauding its customers.

hollydays

pvt wrote: »

Well I might be uneducated, but I am pretty sure Halal is not actually a religious faith.

What I thought it was was a set of rituals for slaughtering and handling meat in order to comply with Islamic law.

As the choice of whether you follow a religion, and which religion you follow is personal choice, and not a matter of life and death, I think "Fussy Eater" covers it adequately, without any more insult than I would infer from being called a fussy eater because I don't like the taste of lamb. Or Battenberg cake - god awful creation -I so hate it.

More to the point here is the matter of what you ask for and pay for. If you ask for beef you are being defrauded if you are given horsemeat. And if you explicitly request 'no bacon', then you're being defrauded if you're then served something with it in.

Trying to bring religion into the argument by comparing it with life threatening nut allergies is unhelpful here.

I'm pretty sure this is not fraud..
I'm very sure this thread is silly..
If a buyer ate the bacon that hadn't been requested, and didn't tell the company, would this be theft by finding ..

akkers

I think this thread may well be a wind-up. OP asked for a burger without bacon; ok. But any other McD burger is not halal and therefore not suitable for the OP.

But on a more serious note, McD themselves have written that nothing in their UK shops is halal/kosher compliant; not even french fries.

Cornucopia

"Serious note"?

None of this is actually serious by any rational definition of the word.

The non-Halal status of McD's food is plastered all their website. It should be no secret to anyone to whom it might matter. (If people want to jump to conclusions or listen to idle internet chatter, then that is their problem).

mattyprice4004

akkers wrote: »

But on a more serious note, McD themselves have written that nothing in their UK shops is halal/kosher compliant; not even french fries.

Good, they can shove Halal up their ****.
Can't believe some Subway stores have stopped stocking bacon, it's ridiculous.
And yes, I know it's for business reasons - but in my eyes it should be quite simple - if you can't eat meat traditionally killed, then don't move to the country that serves it rather than expecting them to pander to your religion.

pvt

hollydays wrote: »

I'm pretty sure this is not fraud..
I'm very sure this thread is silly..
If a buyer ate the bacon that hadn't been requested, and didn't tell the company, would this be theft by finding ..

What is silly is if you completely twist around the point being discussed and then use that to argue your point.

Nobody on this thread has ever said anything about bacon being provided when they hadn't asked for it. The issue was about bacon being served when the customer had explicitly asked for it not to be. Which is a very different proposition.

The debate was whether serving bacon when asked not to is fraud or not. I think that would come down to intent, as unholyangel cited earlier. If it was served by mistake or even lack of attention, or failure to convey the request from one person to another, then I think it would come down to bad customer service. If however the organisation accepted the request and then intentionally ignored your request, I contend it would be fraudulent.

Whatever, in either case it would be clear breach of contract.

It's unfortunate that a serious discussion about what amounts to a contractual matter of a supplier taking appropriate care to meet a clients request keeps being hijacked by gimps like mattyprice4004 above mistaking it for a debate about religion and using it to further their odious position of bigotry and xenophobia.

hollydays

pvt wrote: »

What is silly is if you completely twist around the point being discussed and then use that to argue your point.

Nobody on this thread has ever said anything about bacon being provided when they hadn't asked for it. The issue was about bacon being served when the customer had explicitly asked for it not to be. Which is a very different proposition.

The debate was whether serving bacon when asked not to is fraud or not. I think that would come down to intent, as unholyangel cited earlier. If it was served by mistake or even lack of attention, or failure to convey the request from one person to another, then I think it would come down to bad customer service. If however the organisation accepted the request and then intentionally ignored your request, I contend it would be fraudulent.

Whatever, in either case it would be clear breach of contract.

It's unfortunate that a serious discussion about what amounts to a contractual matter of a supplier taking appropriate care to meet a clients request keeps being hijacked by gimps like mattyprice4004 above mistaking it for a debate about religion and using it to further their odious position of bigotry and xenophobia.

The point I was making is that I doubt you understand what the definition of fraud is. I have to,say this thread is very entertaining for all the wrong reasons. It's quite bizarre.