being asked to train new staff.

Ozzuk

patman99 wrote: »

You need to grow some and start standing up for yourself.
Get all your holidays for this year booked-up and do not defer them.

Also, if you are forced to train the newbies, show them as little as you can. Makes them look like expensive book-ends as they struggle to do the job.

Terrible advice in my opinion. There is a fine line between standing up for yourself and being seen as trouble.

OP - if they were hired at a lower band would you have requested a pay cut?

They have the pressure of joining a new company, learning new routines etc (which the company is perfectly allowed to ask you to take them through) and have all the risk (pension reset etc). It puts you in a good bargaining position but you really should be seen as a can-do guy who's willing to go the extra mile so they are more willing to want to retain you.

Alternatively if the external market is so strong, leave, and be the one getting a higher salary at a new company.

Salaries should be equalised on same-responsibility positions as much as possible but the reality is that is a difficult task to do.

spirit

bugslet wrote: »

Hmm, there may be things I'm not happy about in my company, but that's different to what people are free to do. Unless there is some clause in your contract that you can't discuss a certain subject, the disapproval is not really that relevant. I presume as well your friend wasn't working for the company, s/he'd been for an interview, so they are free to discuss salary.



Absolutely right Takeaway. But in my company I try to be as fair as possible, we run rotas to make sure the work is distributed as fairly as possible, we pay the same wages for the same work, it just makes sense ( to me ) and I feel that I get a lot back from my staff, there's no atmosphere, there's no resentment. My thoughts on it being fair were subjective, not legal advice:)

There's always been a rule that you mustn't discuss internally what you are paid since there has always been a discrepancy between what people doing the same jobs have been paid. But like you say, the person who told me is a friend with no other connecton to the company.

spirit

C_Mababejive wrote: »

Golden rule=never volunteer for anything unless there is betterment>£££ involved in it.

Have I unwittingly volunteered do you think? I am too soft I know. Thing is I like traing people.

Pfft, I should be working but not motivated today!

spirit

PlutoinCapricorn wrote: »

Spirit, are there no policy & procedures or training guides that newcomers could read?

There's the standard stuff that all employees have to read and abide by, but our section is so specialised. for example, the IT system we work on mainly, is no longer used by the rest of the business.

no one knows how to do so many things that I do, in fact when I've been on holiday (when there were 4 of us in the team) work was left for me as it was the 'too difficult pile' for the others.

SandC

I was in a similar position and spent years adding more experience to my role before I was finally paid at the level of someone else in a similar graded position. I couldn't use the fact that I had knowledge of their rate (not that I knew from anything other than I do have cause in my job to see salaries from time to time) but the bosses knew that I knew if that makes sense.

I was doing one final push after last appraisal to add some more strings to my bow and if that hadn't have worked then I would have been looking elsewhere. Not a threat, but for my own self respect.

In fact, I have kicked myself many a time for not realising my worth when I first took the job, negotiating is actually respected in most companies. Boy does it take some years to see how it really works!

I just don't think that refusing to do anything is ultimately going to do you any favours, rather you might end up leaving feeling even more bitter at your treatment and like others have said, they will get by without you, albeit with a struggle.

I would be thinking of leaving now, you are in a position where you can do so, so do it. You may never find out but you know they might have something of a culture change when they lose the major player in their team..... make that a positive for you and not a negative. It's people moving jobs that keeps the private sector competitive.

Good luck!

spirit

pmduk wrote: »

Perhaps the Manager will have to do some training?

She is new.

she knows nothing about this side of the business at all.

theoretica

It might help instead of asking for a pay rise to ask for a rebanding of your job - similar effect for you, different policies for the employer. Are you a member of a union? Or how frequently will their policies allow 10% pay rises? Is there anything you would like instead of pay? Expensive training courses for instance?

I remember reading somewhere (probably a poster confidently stating it on these forums) that companies are no longer permitted to penalise employees for discussing their wages, as this had been found to contribute to women being lower paid.

Savvy_Sue

PlutoinCapricorn wrote: »

Spirit, are there no policy & procedures or training guides that newcomers could read?

If not, surely it's time someone wrote some, on the 'if I fell under a bus' concern ...

bsms1147

'Equal pay is your entitlement to the same wage as someone doing work of equal value to you, the same or broadly similar work as you or work rated as "of equivalent value" by a job evaluation study.'

'If you are not being paid equally, your employer is breaking the law.'

http://www.unison.org.uk/get-help/pay/equal-pay/overview/

Frogletina

bsms1147 wrote: »

'Equal pay is your entitlement to the same wage as someone doing work of equal value to you, the same or broadly similar work as you or work rated as "of equivalent value" by a job evaluation study.'

'If you are not being paid equally, your employer is breaking the law.'

But how do you get a company to do a job evaluation study? None of the managers I had really understood the job I was doing or it's importance.

I ended up being placed in a team where all the team members had individual roles, and all were on a higher grade than me. However, the manager understood what the other members were doing, and could do that work himself, but he showed no interest in mine. He also worked from home so I rarely saw him. I asked about an evaluation of my job, but he was not interested and wanted me doing different work.

Eventually I was given a new job, though I was still the Oracle for my previous job. Each time I asked for an evaluation to get me on the next grade I was told that there were many others waiting for the same thing (in other teams, not mine)

After 18 months on the team, having been given the same answer numerous times by my second line manager, and with new knowledge, I said ' but they are temporarily promoted to that grade, and being paid for it' and was asked 'aren't you?'

I was then temporarily promoted to the next grade and although I asked for back pay (I kept being told it was with HR, it wasn't, and my second line manager never responded to my emails) and six months later I took voluntary redundancy.

frogletina