being asked to train new staff.

spirit

Hi,


we are just a small team of 4 or should be, 2 have left recently. They are recruiting for 2 replacements, but can't get anyone on the same or similar salary to me so have had to have the pay band upped (for the newbies)

They are trying to get my salary upped but apparently is a company rule that they can't up my salary by more than 10%. Given the new starters have been offered 10k more than me, 10% isn't going to bring me anywhere near them.

it makes me feel very demoralised that they want my experience/knowledge, yet won't/can't pay me at least equal.

But do i have to train them? nothing in my job description says directly that i have to. I spoke to ACAS earlier who said the company can pay them what they want to, so not much i can do, but i'm not inclined to want to train them too?

must i? what if i say no?

Marktheshark

Apply for the new post.

tea_lover

Could you have trainer officially added to your role, to justify more of an increase in salary? Failing that, I'd apply for the job

[Deleted User]

Company rules frequently go out the window when people threaten to resign

Out of interest, are any of the newbies are a different gender to you? You could possibly use sex discrimination law to mess with your HR department

(I'm not a trainer by job title either, but I do provide a lot of training to staff in formal training sessions. It also annoys me, as I never seem to receive any formal training)

spirit

ringo_24601 wrote: »

Company rules frequently go out the window when people threaten to resign

That is something i have considered. Given the job role will be moved to a different location as part of an internal reorganisation, it's not practical for me to apply.


that could have been a bluff on their part, it's having the guts (mine) to call them on it. a

spirit

sorry Ringo, missed your other question,

one of the newbies is female too, not sure about the other one, they haven't been appointed yet.

good point though

tomtontom

If you've done the training for some years, it will be part of your role through your actions - a job description doesn't have to be in writing.

Would you be able to get a better salary elsewhere? Do you want to leave (if you called their bluff and it misfired)?

[Deleted User]

BTW - never consider yourself as indispensable - you'd be surprised how well firms get on after important staff leave. Oracle or not, they'd find a way to get on without you.

HR's job is to protect your firm, not you - so tread carefully. Your salary has obviously not tracked the market rate; the danger of staying in one place - not to mention I expect you've not pushed much during any salary reviews.

tomtontom

ringo_24601 wrote: »

BTW - never consider yourself as indispensable - you'd be surprised how well firms get on after important staff leave. Oracle or not, they'd find a way to get on without you.

HR's job is to protect your firm, not you - so tread carefully. Your salary has obviously not tracked the market rate; the danger of staying in one place - not to mention I expect you've not pushed much during any salary reviews.

Very good point. The OP could have been written by my father, and when he retired he expected people on the phone every five minutes. He didn't receive one call - must have been so good at training that they didn't need to!

spirit

ringo_24601 wrote: »

BTW - never consider yourself as indispensable - you'd be surprised how well firms get on after important staff leave. Oracle or not, they'd find a way to get on without you.

HR's job is to protect your firm, not you - so tread carefully. Your salary has obviously not tracked the market rate; the danger of staying in one place - not to mention I expect you've not pushed much during any salary reviews.

. I enjoy the job still - or have done, but i'm not a charity.

I realise i'm not indispensible, but the co. have been caught napping by having just the 1 person who knows how to do things - really important things.

But enough is enough, I am looking for a new job. In theory, i could resign now. i have cash from downsizing. it's just a bit of a scary thought!

DigForVictory

Your company is not behaving well - or applying a smudge of sense.
They may not realise you can walk out on them - if HR want to try to play heavy with you, they may think they hold all the cards.

If your immediate boss is likely to be an effective conduit to HR, point out to him that while you appreciate noone is indispensable, you don't have to stay with this company as you can afford to leave - and that therefore a compromise is indicated or they'll be recruiting *again* (never cheap) & the newbies will have noone to steer them.