being asked to train new staff.

InsideInsurance

What are you actually training them on?

To be honest I think the above is key, if they are hiring very experienced/ qualified Analysts and all you are training them on is the bespoke software package they will have to load their results into this is very different to getting a 16 year old school leaver without a minutes experience in this job and you are training them from the ground up.

Back in my claims days even the guys with Law qualifications with decent salaries were trained on the mail system by a girl from the post room who was probably on NMW, didnt entitled her to a 5x payrise

On the basis that you are saying they've been forced to increase salaries by £10k to get anyone interest it would suggest these people arent that green.

Ultimately the balls in your court if you want to threaten to resign or do something else to get the pay rise you can but it may backfire and if you then dont follow through with the threat it becomes evident to them that they can ignore future threats you make if you feel aggrieved.

Can you become a "Senior" of whatever you do? Can you get trainer added to your role officially and use that to justify the salary? Look for some more creative ways to get the pay.

Ultimately, if you want security and promotion you stick with a company. If you want payrises you switch companies.

spirit

InsideInsurance wrote: »

What are you actually training them on?

To be honest I think the above is key, if they are hiring very experienced/ qualified Analysts and all you are training them on is the bespoke software package they will have to load their results into this is very different to getting a 16 year old school leaver without a minutes experience in this job and you are training them from the ground up.

Back in my claims days even the guys with Law qualifications with decent salaries were trained on the mail system by a girl from the post room who was probably on NMW, didnt entitled her to a 5x payrise

On the basis that you are saying they've been forced to increase salaries by £10k to get anyone interest it would suggest these people arent that green.

Ultimately the balls in your court if you want to threaten to resign or do something else to get the pay rise you can but it may backfire and if you then dont follow through with the threat it becomes evident to them that they can ignore future threats you make if you feel aggrieved.

Can you become a "Senior" of whatever you do? Can you get trainer added to your role officially and use that to justify the salary? Look for some more creative ways to get the pay.

Ultimately, if you want security and promotion you stick with a company. If you want payrises you switch companies.

Some very good points there, thank you. i have to be careful what I put here so as not to identify myself or the company so I aplogise for vagueness.

The person I know of who has accepted the job, does not have background knowledge of this industry at all. So training on all our systems, (there are several), there is a lot you need to know to 'manage situations'.

i'm not fussed about promotion, i don't think any job nowadays offers real security. What I do want is fairness.

spirit

DigForVictory wrote: »

Your company is not behaving well - or applying a smudge of sense.
They may not realise you can walk out on them - if HR want to try to play heavy with you, they may think they hold all the cards.

If your immediate boss is likely to be an effective conduit to HR, point out to him that while you appreciate noone is indispensable, you don't have to stay with this company as you can afford to leave - and that therefore a compromise is indicated or they'll be recruiting *again* (never cheap) & the newbies will have noone to steer them.

too much identifying info on here now

TELLIT01

Could you try pressing for a one off bonus (substantial amount) for training them? It might be a compromise position to try.
We all want fairness, but that doesn't happen any more. As you have discovered, they will pay more to recruit people with less knowledge, but they will not pay existing staff who already have the knowledge enough to keep them. Crazy!

bugslet

If you are doing the same job ( for ease I'll discount your experience ), then you get the same pay. I'd be tempted to ask HR/director how on earth they expect you to work alongside two new people doing the same job as you for £10k less?

If I had to pay a new driver X pounds more to get him to come and work for me, then the rest of them would get a pay rise to match his.

There may be a company rule that states that they can't up your salary by 10%, but rules aren't set in stone. Everything has to be reviewed in a company and circumstances, be they driven by changes in regulations, whatever, means that sometimes what was a rule no longer makes sense.

I'd see someone and put it across calmly to them. It seems very unfair to me.

Gavin83

spirit wrote: »

But enough is enough, I am looking for a new job. In theory, i could resign now. i have cash from downsizing. it's just a bit of a scary thought!

Then do so. If they won't give you the salary you want hand in your notice. If your as vital as you say then you may find this 'rule' is suddenly ignored.

patman99

You need to grow some and start standing up for yourself.
Get all your holidays for this year booked-up and do not defer them.

Also, if you are forced to train the newbies, show them as little as you can. Makes them look like expensive book-ends as they struggle to do the job.

spirit

bugslet wrote: »

If you are doing the same job ( for ease I'll discount your experience ), then you get the same pay. I'd be tempted to ask HR/director how on earth they expect you to work alongside two new people doing the same job as you for £10k less?

If I had to pay a new driver X pounds more to get him to come and work for me, then the rest of them would get a pay rise to match his.

There may be a company rule that states that they can't up your salary by 10%, but rules aren't set in stone. Everything has to be reviewed in a company and circumstances, be they driven by changes in regulations, whatever, means that sometimes what was a rule no longer makes sense.

I'd see someone and put it across calmly to them. It seems very unfair to me.

too much identifying info on here now

spirit

Gavin83 wrote: »

Then do so. If they won't give you the salary you want hand in your notice. If your as vital as you say then you may find this 'rule' is suddenly ignored.

It's like Patman says below, I need to grow a pair and do it. I have been far too soft with them for too long.

Takeaway_Addict

ringo_24601 wrote: »

Company rules frequently go out the window when people threaten to resign

Out of interest, are any of the newbies are a different gender to you? You could possibly use sex discrimination law to mess with your HR department

(I'm not a trainer by job title either, but I do provide a lot of training to staff in formal training sessions. It also annoys me, as I never seem to receive any formal training)

This is unlikely