Attic Conversion

brightontraveller

martinsurrey wrote: »

building regulations approved document k

http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/buildingregulations/approveddocuments/partk/approved

requirement K1

now please STOP.

There guidance learn the difference

martinsurrey

brightontraveller wrote: »

There guidance learn the difference

NO

READ THE WHOLE THING!

THE REQUIREMENT OF THE BUILDING REGULATIONS ACT 2000 PART K is taken from the legislation

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2000/2531/schedule/1/made

The approved document is guidance in how you can meet this requirement. but you do have to meet it.

You REALLY need to learn how building regs works!

System

brightontraveller wrote: »

Compliance is only relevant if planning /building control etc is required its as simple as that if there not required there can be no compliance, [FONT=&quot]Putting in stairs to use a [FONT=&quot]attic[/FONT] as a [FONT=&quot]attic[/FONT] does not require planning or BC ....[/FONT]Find one "regulation" thats states differently "guidance" is not the same as statuary or regulatory....

the stupid is strong in this one

I'll ask again, can you please tell me how you have come to the conclusion that adding a fixed stair to an existing dwelling is exempt from regs?

brightontraveller

the_r_sole wrote: »

the stupid is strong in this one

I'll ask again, can you please tell me how you have come to the conclusion that adding a fixed stair to an existing dwelling is exempt from regs?

Your confusing something that doesn’t need planning /BC with something that does and I’ll ask again [FONT=&amp]Putting in stairs to use a attic as a attic does not require planning or BC ....[/FONT]Find one "regulation" thats states differently "guidance" is not the same as statuary or regulatory....

brightontraveller

martinsurrey wrote: »

NO

READ THE WHOLE THING!

THE REQUIREMENT OF THE BUILDING REGULATIONS ACT 2000 PART K is taken from the legislation

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2000/2531/schedule/1/made

The approved document is guidance in how you can meet this requirement. but you do have to meet it.

You REALLY need to learn how building regs works!

again guidance do you not understand the difference ?

martinsurrey

brightontraveller wrote: »

again guidance do you not understand the difference ?

in what way is the building regulations act 2000 guidance?

It amends the building regulations act 1984 which contains the penalties for not following building regualtions

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1984/55/part/I/crossheading/breach-of-building-regulations

It is a legal requirement

System

brightontraveller wrote: »

Your confusing something that doesn’t need planning /BC with something that does and I’ll ask again [FONT=&amp]Putting in stairs to use a attic as a attic does not require planning or BC ....[/FONT]Find one "regulation" thats states differently "guidance" is not the same as statuary or regulatory....

I have posted links to the relevant legislation - building regs are not optional when they are required, you maintain that adding a new fixed stair is exempt from regulation, please show me where you have found this - adding a fixed stair constitutes building work as you have to alter roof structure to form an opening for a compliant stair, making a room (even for storage) which is accessed by a fixed stair also has implication for fire safety.
You have failed over and over again to backup your (incorrect) assumptions with any regulation/guidance or otherwise.
Read the planning portal guide on loft conversions or speak to your local friendly building control department and they will tell you as soon as a fixed stair is proposed it will have implications with regulations which contrary to your opinion, are mandatory.

brightontraveller

the_r_sole wrote: »

I have posted links to the relevant legislation - building regs are not optional when they are required, you maintain that adding a new fixed stair is exempt from regulation, please show me where you have found this - adding a fixed stair constitutes building work as you have to alter roof structure to form an opening for a compliant stair, making a room (even for storage) which is accessed by a fixed stair also has implication for fire safety.
You have failed over and over again to backup your (incorrect) assumptions with any regulation/guidance or otherwise.
Read the planning portal guide on loft conversions or speak to your local friendly building control department and they will tell you as soon as a fixed stair is proposed it will have implications with regulations which contrary to your opinion, are mandatory.

Never said there optional if required simply that they may not be required... The overall buildings form, construction, profile of the roof etc the current opening will have a major bearing if needs to be altered certainly but your stating it will be you cannot possible Know that...There are plenty of Victorian, Edwardian building with sufficient room height loft hatches sizes etc that would not need to be altered in any way,, your argument is that it will be hence BC mine is simply that it may not hence no BC and ask an architect ..

System

brightontraveller wrote: »

Never said there optional if required simply that they may not be required... The overall buildings form, construction, profile of the roof etc the current opening will have a major bearing if needs to be altered certainly but your stating it will be you cannot possible Know that...There are plenty of Victorian, Edwardian building with sufficient room height loft hatches sizes etc that would not need to be altered in any way,, your argument is that it will be hence BC mine is simply that it may not hence no BC and ask an architect ..

call it an educated guess, I've never seen a roof structure (edwardian or otherwise) that has joist spacing more than the 900mm(ish) you require to fit a stair or that hasn't required other openings to be altered to form a compliant stair opening.
Creating a new room on a new storey has implications further than the structural side too, however the structural side requires regs.

you have said numerous times that people don't understand what's guidance and what's mandatory - it seems you are the most confused here.

the quoted post is also quite different to your previous rants in this thread - but yet again you have failed to provide any evidence of why these works would be deemed as exempt, if you have a look at 'building work' as defined in the regs you will find a lot of the components of a loft conversion require formal approval.

Currently in my office there are 5 architects, I have asked them - you are wrong

martinsurrey

brightontraveller wrote: »

You can make any alterations internally nothing to do with anyone( listed building etc slightly different….) Its only when you sell and want something defined as a bedroom, bathroom, kitchen etc that you may have a problem...

this is what you said originally.

It is a load of rubbish.

Stop it.

We have linked all of the legislation and approved documents, you have not.

last post by me, we have shown how wrong you are, but you cant argue with an ignoramus.

If anyone reads this far and agrees with you, they are a fool, and deserve any issues that come thier way.