Attic Conversion

Doozergirl

Just found another of your posts, brightontraveller, where you give terrible advice about building control.

Explain this, please? I have no doubt you have good advice to give in some areas but where building control is involved, I'd steer clear.

brightontraveller wrote: »

Do you wish it classified as a room or to be a room if you wish it classified as one to sell etc then all the works would need to be in conjunction with whatever your BC deems necessary often much unnecessary BS if not you can do what many do simply leave garage door in place insulate behind it then stud wall walls floors ceilings as you wish, If you want window at the front you can have garage door with glass in it and make frame work behind it to allow light in,
gives you joist sizes
http://www.haringey.gov.uk/sites/haringeygovuk/files/note07_-_domestic_timber_floors.pdf

It is NOT about classification. BC do not do that! If you put yourself in a room with no windows and one door and there is a fire in the house, there is a good chance that you will DIE, regardless of whether you think it's about house prices and classification. This is the sort of shoddy work that cowboy builders produce for ignorant homeowners.

Building Control is not about "much unnecessary BS". It's about safe, consistant, warm, quality housing stock for all of us.

brightontraveller

Doozergirl wrote: »

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Building Control is not about "much unnecessary BS". It's about safe, consistant, warm, quality housing stock for all of us.

Correction consistent ...[FONT=&quot]uk[/FONT][FONT=&quot] homes are some of the poorest constructed and least energy efficient, coldest in [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Europe[/FONT][FONT=&quot] slovenia and czech republic build warmer better homes [/FONT],,,,,
safety is a red herring its ok to live in a old house with none of the bs bc come up with???? Its at all its about revenue... UK builders maybe good but alias construction methods and materials enforced /insisted upon by BC are often inferior

Doozergirl

We're all allowed a typo when not specifically calling someone 'dumb'

I don't disagree with your last post.

But as far as the OP and the previous garage conversion post go, you said Building Control was unnecessary BS, not insufficient. At no point have you suggested exceeding regs. Quite the opposite - you suggest ignoring them.

brightontraveller

the_r_sole wrote: »

Please find me any guidance anywhere that says you do not require to meet building regulations when you are installing a set of stairs to access a newly formed space, having designed numerous loft conversions where a stair opening generally requires altering a structural element, I am well aware of the regs that govern such alterations in terms of the regulations/required approvals (and further implications if you are creating access to a third floor) - your advice is incorrect and dangerous and you really need to understand what the exemptions from regulation approval actually means if you are going to dish out poor advice with no backup whatsoever... Luckily the op has been advised by their builder to contact building control and hasn't taken ridiculous advice from you

If you want to know what guidance the complications, pitfalls, short cuts and out right avoidance's used simply google loft conversions without consent / loft conversion without planning permission I’m not your P.A :rotfl:

brightontraveller

Doozergirl wrote: »

We're all allowed a typo when not specifically calling someone 'dumb'

I don't disagree with your last post.

But as far as the OP and the previous garage conversion post go, you said Building Control was unnecessary BS, not insufficient. At no point have you suggested exceeding regs. Quite the opposite - you suggest ignoring them.

Yes and in many instances it is…? And in the case of the garage conversions was simply an alternative I didn’t say employ a builder,,, Primarily as op stated they would be doing much of the boarding etc themselves cost is fractional to that of seeking approval etc and can easily be done to safe standards... The method is not what I would use if commissioned by client but if a friend said I have insufficient funds to do works what can i do I tell them this is an alternative that you can do yourself for a fraction of cost. You are looking at this solely from a builders profit perspective not one of the consumer...

System

brightontraveller wrote: »

Ask an architect :rotfl:

Why? Is it because you can't find a single piece of guidance online to back up your incorrect opinion? I have posted a link to the official (and only) guidance required in this thread and it's clear.
Whether or not you agree with the role of the regulatory bodies it doesn't excuse the fact that building regs are required here and to advise someone otherwise is incorrect.
You should have said "Ask a building control officer" and there's no need to laugh at your terrible advise and inablilty to use the guidance to show how you've come to an entirely wrong conclusion on their application - its clear you don't understand the roles if planning and building control.
Telling me you're not my PA because you can't find proper guidance on something is hardly a reasoned response. Obviously things can be done without permission but its not the correct way to do it and has numberous knock on consequences.
Lucklily I'm far enough away from Brighton so fingers crossed I never have to appoint a builder like you to carry out any work!!

Doozergirl

brightontraveller wrote: »

You are looking at this solely from a builders profit perspective not one of the consumer...

We're going to get one thing very straight, here. My motivation and satisfaction comes from a job well done. Getting my bills paid is important, but there is no reason to get up in the morning if you don't take pride. I don't give reason for anyone to question my integrity. My husband and I were our own clients for a decade before we marketed building services to anyone.

On the contrary, bt, it is well documented that the person who does things cheaply and cuts corners is the one that is after the fast buck.

I'm going to presume you were on the sauce last night. Your posts went from bad to worse.

martinsurrey

brightontraveller wrote: »

You need to learn the difference ???? Compliance is only relevant if planning /building control etc is required :rotfl:

I think this thread should be used to highlight every shoddy bit of advice you give.

http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/buildingregulations/approveddocuments/partk/

every staircase that is part of a building is specifically dealt with by its own building reg.

as this WHOLE thread is about afixing a staircase to a house, it is 100% covered by building regulations.

Please dont give any more advice, this is a money saving forum, NOT the wild west, where cowboys roam.

brightontraveller

the_r_sole wrote: »

Why? Is it because you can't find a single piece of guidance online to back up your incorrect opinion? I have posted a link to the official (and only) guidance required in this thread and it's clear.
Whether or not you agree with the role of the regulatory bodies it doesn't excuse the fact that building regs are required here and to advise someone otherwise is incorrect.
You should have said "Ask a building control officer" and there's no need to laugh at your terrible advise and inablilty to use the guidance to show how you've come to an entirely wrong conclusion on their application - its clear you don't understand the roles if planning and building control.
Telling me you're not my PA because you can't find proper guidance on something is hardly a reasoned response. Obviously things can be done without permission but its not the correct way to do it and has numberous knock on consequences.
Lucklily I'm far enough away from Brighton so fingers crossed I never have to appoint a builder like you to carry out any work!!

Compliance is only relevant if planning /building control etc is required its as simple as that if there not required there can be no compliance, [FONT=&quot]Putting in stairs to use a [FONT=&quot]attic[/FONT] as a [FONT=&quot]attic[/FONT] does not require planning or BC ....[/FONT]Find one "regulation" thats states differently "guidance" is not the same as statuary or regulatory....

martinsurrey

brightontraveller wrote: »

Compliance is only relevant if planning /building control etc is required its as simple as that if there not required there can be no compliance, [FONT=&quot]Putting in stairs to use a [FONT=&quot]attic[/FONT] as a [FONT=&quot]attic[/FONT] does not require planning or BC ....[/FONT]Find one piece of guidance that says it does

building regulations approved document k

http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/buildingregulations/approveddocuments/partk/approved

requirement K1

now please STOP.