Teenagers Allowance

zagfles

Jagraf wrote: »

Everyone on her course is no doubt going to do a year abroad as part of their course, its no big deal.

Are you suggesting one year's work experience abroad is less valuable that a part time job in a chippy at 16?

Everyone is going to do their work experience at school.

We all make tea actually, no one is above that. Some people just think they are. People start jobs, especially after uni, with all kinds of pre-conceived ideas about what the work place is like (if they haven't been in one before). Don't know where they get those ideas from!

Well I've never made tea for anyone, and I don't expect people to make tea for me! Do people really think others are in employment to make them tea??

Graduates have theory and knowledge but very little practice, so they have to learn the ropes and feel part of an equal team.

Which is why decent graduate employers have a long induction process for graduates - when I started it was two years, where we worked in different parts of the business to see which area suited us best.

Working in, for example, a chip shop, shows how to,work as part of a team, be customer facing, work hard under pressure, and be committed.

I worked in graduate recruitment for years. I worked in training with 16-21 year olds for years.

Just my opinion based on experience.

Good luck. My DD wants to go to medical school, so I am as keen for her to succeed as you are your kids. Mine can work in a chippy, it shows she hasn't got a chip on her shoulder (pardon the pun).

Based on your statistics Re graduate employment of 1 person, I take your point .....

I posted official govt statistics based on hundreds of thousands of graduates....

Buzzybee90

zagfles wrote: »

They usually want relevant experience. Here's a few links for work experience suggestions for medicine:

http://www.undergraduate.study.cam.ac.uk/courses/medicine

https://www.uea.ac.uk/study/admissions-info/a100faq
So I don't think a job in a chippy would count! Unless perhaps there were regular accidents with hot oil :rotfl:
What do you mean by that? The govt stats show the average "Russell group" graduate salary is around £35k, across all sectors and degrees.

I can't see the russel group bit, do you mean the hourly bit? That's all grads, not just recent ones?

zagfles

Buzzybee90 wrote: »

I can't see the russel group bit, do you mean the hourly bit? That's all grads, not just recent ones?

Yes, it's all graduates.

Serendipitious

An interesting thread.

My DD got herself a Saturday job at 15 in a food store then moved on at 16 to an independent pub/restaurant and by 6th form she was working most weekends and holidays in a branch of a national chain of restaurants. I drove her there and collected her from all of these. She did so well there that they wanted her to take their management training when she left school, but her mind was fixed on university, so she declined that and went to Uni and within a fortnight had landed a weekend job at another national chain, a job that saw her through the entire three years, plus giving her as much fulltime as she wanted during holidays. When she returned home after Uni, they simply transferred her to a local branch so she never had to look for a job from scratch on leaving university (she got a 2:1.) Within her first few months of fulltime employment she had found something better, an office based admin job, and from there she moved on to the organisation she now works for, where she has become a manager.

I never asked her to get any of those early jobs, she simply said she wanted to earn her own money so I let her get on with it. I never charged her any board or keep whilst at home.

She funded her degree via the student loan scheme, and I helped where I could when visiting her at Uni by letting her loose with a trolley in the supermarket two or three times a term. (Talk about bulk-buying, I'd never seen anything like it!!) When she came home I helped with a car deposit and she took care of her car finance herself and moved in with her boyfriend within a year of her return. They're married now and the student loan is history, paid off by her own efforts.

She never had an allowance and never asked for one though she did have pocket money till she got her first job. (I was a single working mum so I guess she recognised I was already doing as much as I could.)

Anyhow, in her case, the work/study combination all worked out just fine. I'm proud of her.

Buzzybee90

zagfles wrote: »

Yes, it's all graduates.

Right, well in that case I'm not very impressed. With a starting salary of 25k (like you mentioned) I'd be hoping to earn in excess of 10 grand more as I gained experience/time on the job.

Jagraf

Zagfles,thanks for all the info. I'm wondering how much of the Cambridge Uni link you actually read.

It stated that some work experience in a related field would be helpful - of course it would. We are not bound to only work in chippies, but it would be great to have a range of attributes.

I was more interested in the GMCs What Makes a Good Doctor, which gives a raging of skills needed, obviously a medical degree just being one of them.

Personally I haven't got a problem with the whole tea making issue, I have made tea and had it made for me. Nothing like a good cuppa.

zagfles

Buzzybee90 wrote: »

Right, well in that case I'm not very impressed. With a starting salary of 25k (like you mentioned) I'd be hoping to earn in excess of 10 grand more as I gained experience/time on the job.

You would. The average isn't the limit you know! You start off well below the average, and should end up well above the average.

Jagraf

Serendipitious wrote: »

An interesting thread.

My DD got herself a Saturday job at 15 in a food store then moved on at 16 to an independent pub/restaurant and by 6th form she was working most weekends in a branch of a national chain of restaurants. I drove her there and collected her from all of these. She did so well there that they wanted her to take their management training when she left school, but her mind was fixed on university, so she declined that and went to Uni and within a fortnight had landed a weekend job at another national chain, a job that saw her through the entire three years, plus giving her as much fulltime as she wanted during holidays. When she returned home after Uni, they simply transferred her to a local branch so she never had to look for a job from scratch on leaving university (she got a 2:1.) Within her first few months of fulltime employment she had found something better, an office based admin job, and from there she moved on to the organisation she now works for, where she has become a manager.

I never asked her to get any of those early jobs, she simply said she wanted to earn her own money so I let her get on with it. I never charged her any board or keep whilst at home.

She funded her degree via the student loan scheme, and I helped where I could when visiting her at Uni by letting her loose with a trolley in the supermarket two or three times a term. (Talk about bulk-buying, I'd never seen anything like it!!) When she came home I helped with a car deposit and she took care of her car finance herself and moved in with her boyfriend within a year of her return. They're married now and the student loan is history, paid off by her own efforts.

She never had an allowance and never asked for one though she did have pocket money till she got her first job. (I was a single working mum so I guess she recognised I was already doing as much as I could.)

Anyhow, in her case, the work/study combination all worked out just fine. I'm proud of her.

And so you should be, she has done brilliantly. X

I remember wanting people to buy me cheese it was so expensive. As mushrooms lol!

zagfles

Jagraf wrote: »

Zagfles,thanks for all the info. I'm wondering how much of the Cambridge Uni link you actually read.

It stated that some work experience in a related field would be helpful - of course it would. We are not bound to only work in chippies, but it would be great to have a range of attributes.

Have I missed the bit where it says non health related work experience is helpful?

I was more interested in the GMCs What Makes a Good Doctor, which gives a raging of skills needed, obviously a medical degree just being one of them.

Personally I haven't got a problem with the whole tea making issue, I have made tea and had it made for me. Nothing like a good cuppa.

As long as you don't judge people by their tea making ability. My DD doesn't drink tea so hasn't got a clue how to make a decent cuppa, and any employer who requires her to learn that rather than doing proper work quite frankly she'd be best avoiding

Jagraf

zagfles wrote: »

Have I missed the bit where it says non health related work experience is helpful?

As long as you don't judge people by their tea making ability. My DD doesn't drink tea so hasn't got a clue how to make a decent cuppa, and any employer who requires her to learn that rather than doing proper work quite frankly she'd be best avoiding

Have a look at selection requirements, relating to GMC guidelines. There's a whole range of attributes that they select prospective students by, not just health related.

The more you have experience of or in, the better. You stand more chance of getting into med school that way. So yes, non health related experience is useful.

I would never judge anyone's ability to make tea. But I would expect them to work as part of a team, even with the rubbishy bits.