Teenagers Allowance

moomoomama27

Of course it's different to budget from the purse of the parents! After all it's a definite, it's not worked hard for, it's there regardless, where is the drive, the experience of work, the social interactions in a workplace, the broadening of social skills?

Money cannot buy those invaluable traits IMO they come from being earned.

zagfles

Buzzybee90 wrote: »

It's just all anecdotal crap.

This whole thread is "anecdotal crap". Read the amount of "students who were subsidised are lazy and unmotived etc etc" type anecdotes

I could tell you all my friends were subbed at uni and got 2.1s and 2.2s yet I wasn't and got a 1st..... I'm not saying that's true.... But it's just all personal experiences.

It's pretty embarrassing that so many parents seem to be living vicariously through their children.... It's their lives, not yours!

So let's get this straight, you think subsidising your kids while in education is "living vicariously through their children.". :rotfl:Now that is funny!

Tell me, does that apply at any age? How about 7, how many people subsidise their 7 year old? Does that mean they're "living vicariously through their children."? Just because they give their 7 year old pocket money, or buy stuff for them?

What about when they're at uni, and if they can't get a full loan due to parental income. Is making the loan up to what other students get (because they are "fortunate" enough to have poorer parents) "living vicariously through their children."?

Perhaps the state subsidy for students in higher education is the state "living vicariously through their children." :rotfl:

zagfles

moomoomama27 wrote: »

Of course it's different to budget from the purse of the parents! After all it's a definite, it's not worked hard for, it's there regardless,

No it's not there regardless!! That's the point! It's only there while they're studying hard!

where is the drive, the experience of work, the social interactions in a workplace, the broadening of social skills?

Money cannot buy those invaluable traits IMO they come from being earned.

Are you seriously suggesting that social skills etc can only come through work? Personally I improved my social skills massively when backpacking through Europe when I was 16. Much more so than in the job I had at that age (both of which were co-incidently for about the same length of time).

Becka38940

I've found this thread interesting to read, I'm currently 23 and recently left university.

Since I was 15 I was working to pay for my phone and other things I wanted, I worked 20 hours a week whilst at college, 30 hours a week at uni, paid for my own driving lessons and car and now pay rent to live at home.

I personally do not think it teaches children anything to hand them money on a plate with the promise of a good job after uni, because that's not how it works anymore. Employers want work experience and people who know how to behave in the workplace, and not forgetting that most university courses have around 12-15 hours lecture time a week, there really is no reason why someone can't contribute to their own upkeep!

moomoomama27

zagfles wrote: »

No it's not there regardless!! That's the point! It's only there while they're studying hard! Are you seriously suggesting that social skills etc can only come through work? Personally I improved my social skills massively when backpacking through Europe when I was 16. Much more so than in the job I had at that age (both of which were co-incidently for about the same length of time).

Yes I am seriously suggesting that the world of work does encourage all iof those things!

For the children who don't backpack the world, or have numerous cultural holidays, this type of experience is vital, and for some it's the first experience of interacting with diverse groups of people of all ages.

The sense of achievement in earning ones own money is not comparable to being given it.

moomoomama27

Becka38940 wrote: »

I've found this thread interesting to read, I'm currently 23 and recently left university.

Since I was 15 I was working to pay for my phone and other things I wanted, I worked 20 hours a week whilst at college, 30 hours a week at uni, paid for my own driving lessons and car and now pay rent to live at home.

I personally do not think it teaches children anything to hand them money on a plate with the promise of a good job after uni, because that's not how it works anymore. Employers want work experience and people who know how to behave in the workplace, and not forgetting that most university courses have around 12-15 hours lecture time a week, there really is no reason why someone can't contribute to their own upkeep!

Perfect post!

zagfles

Becka38940 wrote: »

I've found this thread interesting to read, I'm currently 23 and recently left university.

Since I was 15 I was working to pay for my phone and other things I wanted, I worked 20 hours a week whilst at college, 30 hours a week at uni, paid for my own driving lessons and car and now pay rent to live at home.

I personally do not think it teaches children anything to hand them money on a plate with the promise of a good job after uni, because that's not how it works anymore. Employers want work experience and people who know how to behave in the workplace, and not forgetting that most university courses have around 12-15 hours lecture time a week, there really is no reason why someone can't contribute to their own upkeep!

It depends what degree you do - if you do engineering or medicine you're likely to study far longer than typical full time working hours, whereas if you do media or arts it's likely to be far less.

But that's also reflected in the employment rates and salary you get when leaving - see the link I posted above, p.18, people with engineering/medical degrees can expect a £40k+ income, those with media/arts about £22k or so.

zagfles

moomoomama27 wrote: »

Yes I am seriously suggesting that the world of work does encourage all iof those things!

For the children who don't backpack the world, or have numerous cultural holidays, this type of experience is vital, and for some it's the first experience of interacting with diverse groups of people of all ages.

So there are other ways of getting the same experience.

The sense of achievement in earning ones own money is not comparable to being given it.

Would you cut all student subsidy then? If it's a bad idea for parents to subsidise their kids when studying, surely it's a bad idea for the state to do so? Why not stand in the election and propose it?

moomoomama27

Subsidising tuition and accommodation whilst at university is very different to giving money for luxuries that should be earned by that person.

I'll never be in favour if full parental subsidy for children in further education, when at 16 they can find a part time job that will not be detrimental to studies. However some parental input will be necessary, basics only.

zagfles

moomoomama27 wrote: »

Subsidising tuition and accommodation whilst at university is very different to giving money for luxuries that should be earned by that person.

So you think only tuition and accomodation should be subsidised? Student grants/max loans cover far more than that. Someone on a low parental income could get grants and bursaries of around £7k+ at some unis, plus loans of £4k, making a total of £11k+. All from the state/university. Why should students whose parents are richer get less?

Some students might find time to work and have a social life as well, but those doing "hard" degrees such as medicine or engineering might not - something has to give, and a student who spends all their either studying or working in a chippy with no time to relax and socialise is not likely to end up well balanced.

I'll never be in favour if full parental subsidy for children in further education, when at 16 they can find a part time job that will not be detrimental to studies. However some parental input will be necessary, basics only.

It's not like anyone is talking big sums, I don't think anyone has mentioned giving their kids over £30pw or so - similar to EMA levels, and (in our case anyway) that includes stuff like travel to college costs, books, and college trips.