MSE News: Legality of private parking fines to be tested in court today

enfield_freddy

yes , at one large cash n carry I go to there is a barrier on thee exit , the code changes every day , they print the code number on your receipt/invoice


a long cold wait for anyone who tries to park up and go into town , as the public cannot enter the cash n carry building without a pass

I-LOV-MONEY

Do we know when the judgement will be delivered? Do they give advance warning?

Redx

apparently its in 2 to 6 weeks

hoohoo

The_Deep wrote: »

I ignore and get debt collecting letters for a debt that does not exist - they have no right to send debt collectors after anyone when there is no debt -

But a debt does exist, did they not pay the DVLA £2.50 to obtain RK details?

That's a cost involved in chasing up a debt, not the debt itself. POPLA are quite clear on this. They require the operators to establish an initial loss. The whole charge cannot be made up of costs in chasing a non-existing loss.

Cygnus_Alpha

Iaino wrote: »

I hope you all realise that if the parking companies lose these cases and are told that they can only impose maximum penalties of £10 or something, the only thing that will happen is that the car parks will become unprofitable in their current form. As such, they will need to start charging more for people to park there, and the type of car park where you currently get two hours' free parking will become a thing of the past.

So, you might be celebrating the potential downfall of the PPCs today, but I hope you all bear this in mind when from now on you have to pay more every time you park your car because a few people stayed longer than they should have and were too cheap to pay the penalty.

Or they could put barriers up instead of trying to catch people out and then fleecing them. Why PPC do you work for?:cool:

atilla

Iaino wrote: »

I hope you all realise that if the parking companies lose these cases and are told that they can only impose maximum penalties of £10 or something, the only thing that will happen is that the car parks will become unprofitable in their current form. As such, they will need to start charging more for people to park there, and the type of car park where you currently get two hours' free parking will become a thing of the past.

So, you might be celebrating the potential downfall of the PPCs today, but I hope you all bear this in mind when from now on you have to pay more every time you park your car because a few people stayed longer than they should have and were too cheap to pay the penalty.

Really?
All the free car parks at all the supermarkets are suddenly going to charge customers just so some chanced can continue to earn off the back of them?

bazster

Iaino wrote: »

I hope you all realise that if the parking companies lose these cases and are told that they can only impose maximum penalties of £10 or something, the only thing that will happen is that the car parks will become unprofitable in their current form. As such, they will need to start charging more for people to park there, and the type of car park where you currently get two hours' free parking will become a thing of the past.

So, you might be celebrating the potential downfall of the PPCs today, but I hope you all bear this in mind when from now on you have to pay more every time you park your car because a few people stayed longer than they should have and were too cheap to pay the penalty.

This has to rank as just about the silliest PPC-apologist post ever seen on this forum.

There are three large supermarkets representing national chains in my home town. One of them has no parking enforcement whatsoever in its car park, despite being a stone's throw from a popular beauty spot and recreation area. Presumably they understand that their business is flogging groceries, not car parking. However, I dare say they would absolutely love it if the other two were stupid enough to start charging for parking.

The_Deep

Indeed. If the PPCs try to charge a pound in an erstwhile free car park, shoppers will go somewhere else where parking is free.

Iaino

I can accept when supermarkets own their own car parks they will likely still offer free parking so that they don't lose customers. The issue will come with places like retail parks, where the car park is not owned by any of the shops, but is owned separately by a company that wants to make money out its investment. The shops may have no say whatsoever in how the car park is run.

I've seen various people on here suggest alternative models to the current model, such as barriers, deposits etc, but all of these come with overheads, so the car park owners will need to make their money back somewhere. If they can no longer do this through penalties, they will do it through increased costs for parking. That's just common sense.

trisontana

But the building housing the stores also come with "overheads". Are you suggesting that a charge should be levied to each person entering a store?

You also talk about landowners imposing "penalties". Under civil law a private citizen (the landowner) cannot punish another citizen ( the motorist) by charging an unfair penalty. They can only demand a sum of money that puts them back to where they were before the incident occurred.