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Economy 7 Meter scandal?
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You are the one who has come on this forum accusing others of being in league with energy companies just because they have a different point of view.
IF you had come on this fourm and raised the issue that many people may have E7 meters and not realise they can be changed and/or are unsutiable for their needs and that the subject should be given greater coverage in the media as an issue. I would have agreed with you!!! As I am sure nearly everyone else would!
But....
You came on ranting that all larger properties with E7 meters like yours are being tricked conned and scammed and that there is no way someone with GCH would/could ever require an E7 meter just because you and your property don't (even though we have proved this is not the case).
Anytime someone disagreed with you, you accused them of working for a power company!!!
So unfortunately it is you who began unfounded accusations and nasty posts.0 -
CashStrapped wrote: »You are the one who has come on this forum accusing others of being in league with energy companies just because they have a different point of view.
IF you had come on this fourm and raised the issue that many people may have E7 meters and not realise they can be changed and/or are unsutiable for their needs and that the subject should be given greater coverage in the media as an issue. I would have agreed with you!!! As I am sure nearly everyone else would!
But....
You came on ranting that all larger properties with E7 meters like yours are being tricked conned and scammed and that there is no way someone with GCH would/could ever require an E7 meter just because you and your property don't (even though we have proved this is not the case).
Anytime someone disagreed with you, you accused them of working for a power company!!!
So unfortunately it is you who began unfounded accusations and nasty posts.
The only one "ranting and raving" is you-and the posts are not even addressed to you??
As I said you are in need of some serious help. Stop getting your nose into other peoples discussions.
Goodbye-I won't be wasting any more of my time on your childish rantings.0 -
Last time I checked, this was an open public forum. If you require a private discussion you can use private posts. I will respond to any post I wish and especially those in which I feel I can offer information, an alternative perspective or advice.
If you do not appreaciate nor want to listed to/read an alternative viewpoint, anothers opinion or advice then that is not my concern. You have the choice not to read it.
This is a public fourum. Anyone can post.0 -
Kenyakimbo wrote: »Cashstrapped-
The only one "ranting and raving" is you-and the posts are not even addressed to you??
As I said you are in need of some serious help. Stop getting your nose into other peoples discussions.
Goodbye-I won't be wasting any more of my time on your childish rantings.
- tone [in the thread], as in 'vitriol and bile' was set very early in this thread by yourself
- its there as evidence for all time in the chronology of the # numbers
- ordinary well meaning long term moderate posters were gerrymandered into like~for~like vitriol and bile by yourself
- it's a forum my friend, starting as you did with anger towards and ignorance of others can only ever lead to a pointless exercise waste of the worlds alphabet
Try to be nice, be accepting of other points of view even if your twisted perspective disagrees. If you don't like what is said - tough - go dribble elsewhere, I for one am not interested in your whining destructive tone. There's no need to stop posting, just moderate your anger towards others in what is a public forum and make positive use of the of the worlds alphabet. Best of luck Kenyakimbo .Disclaimer : Everything I write on this forum is my opinion. I try to be an even-handed poster and accept that you at times may not agree with these opinions or how I choose to express them, this is not my problem. The Disabled : If years cannot be added to their lives, at least life can be added to their years - Alf Morris - ℜ0 -
Kenyakimbo wrote: »So there we have it-E7 can be cheaper than a standard fixed-price tariff-so long as you have washing machines,dishwashers,dryers,etc running all night-oh and you get up at 6-6.30am,(Cardew),ha-ha.
But I have retired now so I don't need to rise at 6am in the morning-nor do I want Electrical Appliances running all night downstairs-with the risk of fire due to an appliance failure-just to make E7 economically viable as against a single meter.
Kenyakimbo.
I think it is unnecessary to attempt to ridicule my lifestyle.
Nevermind, have you read, and understood, my posts?
I have patiently explained that an E7 tariff with zero(0%) consumption during the 7 hours off-peak, can actually be cheaper for someone with gas CH.
With regard to appliances being a fire risk at night, do you switch off your fridge, freezer, CH boiler, Sky box/recorder, phones, CH controller, Internet router, any appliance with a clock(microwave/cooker etc) burglar alarm etc etc. In fact the biggest fire risk in domestic properties is in 13 amp sockets that are always connected to 240v.
Apparently Npower have told you that your E7 tariff is £230 more than a single rate tariff. I believe that is highly unlikely - but it wouldn't be the first time Npower have been wrong.
However it is very easy to check their statement. We have offered to check if you post your consumption figures. What have you got to lose?0 -
OP-so, if you really believe that E7 is the spawn of Satan, what is your proposed metering solution for the millions of houses that have no access to mains gas, or, if they do, do not have gas boilers forCH and DHW? How would they be better off heating and hot watering on a single rate tariff?
As for your comment that you were unaware that E7 charged a much higher day rate as a trade-off for a cheaper night rate, I find that risible. If it were not so, would not every single property would have switched to E7?
And I find it bemusing that anyone who disagrees with you is accused of being a energy company stooge. Most of those posting on this thread are regulars and and have no hidden agenda whatsoever.No free lunch, and no free laptop0 -
Yes sorry for the use of the word prehistoric.When we were taking these inefficient,expensive NS Heaters out almost 50 years ago and replacing them with more efficient and cheaper to run Gas Central Heating.The majority of our customers seemed to view them as just that-Prehistoric-and I am surprised that they are still being fitted today.
I take it you have done absolutely no research to back up these idiotic claims.
Fact - Storage heaters are more efficient than any GCH system on the market (virtually all electric heaters are 100% efficient, GCH anything from 60 - 98%)
Expensive - only if used improperly
Pre-historic - E7 is one of the most common (if not the most common) metering systems for houses without GCH (and as has been pointed out can be beneficial to people with GCH in the right circumstance).
I am on E7, my house does not have mains gas. Do you think I should be on a standard tarrif ? That would result in an increase in my bills of between 40 and 60% (quick calculation so may be slightly out) as would many households who do not have GCH.
Just for clarity, I do not work for any of the electricity suppliers or their subsiduaries etc.0 -
Um, I am on E7, with GCH and Gas fired hot water.
My electric bills are £54 a year lower than they would be if I was on the equivalent single rate.
I am a very low user (apparently) so the savings should be larger for someone else who used more.
I can't be that weird? I think there are probably quite a few households with gas water/heating that could potentially save with E7 electricity if they did a bit of research on their own usage patterns and learned how to use it to it's full advantage.
I don't get up early or go to bed late (I like a LOT of sleep).
I just try to only use things that have to be 'on demand' during the day, like TV, kettle, fridge, CD player etc. everything else is all on timers (washing machine, dishwasher, charging phones & computer etc) Even without being particularly strict with this, or degrading my lifestyle at all, I can manage 40% night rate.
On my current tariff, the day rate is only 1 or 2p more per kWh than the equivalent single rate price on my same tariff whereas the night rate is nearly 10p less - so well worth it.
E-on and a few other companies will allow you to have a single rate tariff if you want, without changing the meter, by adding the two readings together. So when I next compare/switch I can look at both E7 and single tariffs to get the best deal for me at the time - obviously not possible with a single rate meter.
The developer/company who built the houses would have chosen what type of meter to install - npower wouldn't have had anything to do with that. You could change to a single tariff as described above without changing the meter.
I think you've just been on the wrong tariff/with the wrong company for a long time, and unfortunately it's the consumer who chooses that. Will npower allow you to have a single rate tariff with your present meter? If not, find a company that will give you a good single rate price with your present meter, or have it taken out if you want more choice.Don’t try to keep up with the Jones’s. They are broke!0 -
Nothing misleading about it as I make no mention of losses in the line from the powerplant etc (exactly the same can be said for gas btw). If you put 1 unit of electricity in to an electric heater you will get 1 unit of heat out. (there are of course one or 2 exception, like fan heaters.)0
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tberry6686 wrote: »Nothing misleading about it as I make no mention of losses in the line from the powerplant etc (exactly the same can be said for gas btw). If you put 1 unit of electricity in to an electric heater you will get 1 unit of heat out. (there are of course one or 2 exception, like fan heaters.)
Actually I deleted my original quote which crossed with your answer above. However as you have now replied I will repeat the jist of what I said.
When comparing the efficiency of an electric heater with GCH it is misleading comparing the on site efficiency of each. It is true that measured on site an electric heater is 100% efficient (and a fan heater is not an exception) and GCH is less (I will take your figures of 60% to 98% as being accurate).
However much, much more energy is lost in the generation and transmission of electricity than in the transmission of gas.0
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