Speed Cameras: what offence would this be?

Cornucopia

Still not convinced by the PCoJ arguments. Both because of the detail in the charging guidelines, and also because the same logic would apply to parking in front of a camera van, but PCoJ does not seem to be being charged in those cases.

matttye

Cornucopia wrote: »

Still not convinced by the PCoJ arguments. Both because of the detail in the charging guidelines, and also because the same logic would apply to parking in front of a camera van, but PCoJ does not seem to be being charged in those cases.

If someone covered up their plates to conceal speeding offences, or switched plates after the event, then it would be PCOJ. Not sure why you think covering the camera would be any different?

matttye

Actually, I'm not sure you can commit PCOJ for a future offence.

At the time the camera is covered up you're not attempting to pervert the course of justice in relation to any particular offence because your actions won't affect the speeders that the camera has already caught.

Setting fire to a speed camera would definitely be PCOJ but would likely charged as arson.

brat

I tend to agree with Mattye.

I believe you can only pervert a course of justice if a deed has occurred that may be subject to justice, ie a pathway has commenced from the suspected commission of a deed to the application of justice to that deed.

Car_54

matttye wrote: »

I agree. You're misunderstanding what I'm saying but perhaps im not explaining it well.

It would be difficult if not impossible to prove that people have sped past the camera if officers only arrive AFTER the speeding has taken place.

Eg: bag is put on the camera at midnight, speeders go past at 04:00 and officers arrive at 08:00. How would they know about the 04:00 speeders? Would have to be another witness, or another camera that filmed the event.

Sure, they won't know about the 0400 speeders. But if they wait for a few minutes there will be some more along!

Joe_Jameson

Spicy_McHaggis wrote: »

I'll give you that joining in April 1991, but do you really want to be working until what 64 to get a full pension Ian?

:rotfl:
But I think every who working - he want to work, every who want to rest - get rest, else... money saving experts :beer:

Spicy_McHaggis

For someone with your experience you are quite naive, even your date of birth is online.

brat

Spicy_McHaggis wrote: »

For someone with your experience you are quite naive, even your date of birth is online.

It is surprising what you can find about a person, once you know their name. That really doesn't bother me. You may call it naive. I call it personal freedom.

But the forum rules do specify that you shouldn't post another person's identity.

You wouldn't choose to break forum rules would you?

Cornucopia

I'm wondering if it's time you two got a room?

brat

Cornucopia wrote: »

I'm wondering if it's time you two got a room?

I'll go out for a bike ride instead, and let the boy simmer down...