Old Man's Family Refusing To Pay For His Funeral

bluelass

theEnd wrote: »

Used to work in a pub where people often died with seemingly no close family.

We'd always have whip round to raise some money, but ultimately the landlord would pay for the funeral.

Wow the landlord must have been wealthy to keep paying for funerals. Its always skanky men who can afford booze and cigs but nothing to bury themselves with. Is it common among unwashed alcoholics to die expecting a good send off paid by others?

Pollycat

bluelass wrote: »

Last week I got a call from someone who goes in there asking if I could give some money towards his funeral I got asked for £200. My reply was I cant really afford to and what about his family. I was told they couldn't pay to which I replied again sorry but I cant.

Are you saying that if you did have a spare £200 lying around, you would give it towards a funeral for someone you didn't know personally?

I think it incredibly rude (not to mention suspicious) for someone to ring up and ask someone to contribute to the funeral - especially such a large and specific sum - of someone they don't know when there are clearly close relatives still living.

If it were me and it happened in my local, I would contribute to a collection for flowers or maybe a donation to a charity - but it would be my choice of how much and definitely not directly to the cost of the funeral in the circumstances you mention

bluelass wrote: »

I didn't know him personally and neither did the others on the quiz. He came in with another man and myself and others just used to let on to him that's all. My dearly loved gran died at 86 over 2 years ago sadly I still miss her but she didn't leave her family with costs. Why should strangers be made to pay to bury someone they never knew? I heared he had 3 grown up children shouldn't it be their concern? its funny how its always men who die and have nothing in the world but can afford booze, taxi fares and cigs but always never have anyone to bury them its dirty.

Who is 'making strangers pay' for this funeral?

You were asked, you said 'no'. Surely that's the end of it as far as you are concerned.

getmore4less

RAS wrote: »

if the family cannot pay, then they can ask for a public health funeral, from the hospital if he died there or the social services.

However, those providing the funeral will expect the cost to be repaid from his estate if there is any. And funeral costs have the first call on estates before even secured debt.

This is incorrect, Only the residual(after the debt is paid) from assets used to secure debts form part of the estate from which funeral expenses may be claimed.

Mojisola

getmore4less wrote: »

This is incorrect, Only the residual(after the debt is paid) from assets used to secure debts form part of the estate from which funeral expenses may be claimed.

Funeral costs come before any debts.

getmore4less

Mojisola wrote: »

Funeral costs come before any debts.

Not secured ones.
The standard example is a mortgage, that get paid off from the sale of the house BEFORE funeral expenses

http://www.bereavementadvice.org/probate-and-other-legal-procedures/insolventestates.php

Mojisola

getmore4less wrote: »

Not secured ones.
The standard example is a mortgage, that get paid off from the sale of the house BEFORE funeral expenses

http://www.bereavementadvice.org/probate-and-other-legal-procedures/insolventestates.php

And does that ever happen?

The funeral usually takes place before other stuff gets sorted out. Has any mortgage company sued family members for the return of money spent on a funeral?

getmore4less

Mojisola wrote: »

And does that ever happen?

The funeral usually takes place before other stuff gets sorted out. Has any mortgage company sued family members for the return of money spent on a funeral?

They don't need to, they get their money first when the asset is sold.

pollypenny

getmore4less wrote: »

They don't need to, they get their money first when the asset is sold.

Are you suggesting thst a funeral is delayed until the house is sold?

Tends to be a long job! :eek:

Poppie68

OP an awful lot seems to happen in this pub....


I finding it hard to believe if someone is phoning round for donations they are actually asking for £200 off each contributor..Maybe 'if' donations are being requested a couple of quid towards flowers which is pretty usual for a pub regular but £200 towards the cost of his funeral...
Has the wife and kids said publicly they are refusing to pay for the funeral or is this another example of bad pub tittle tattle.....your pub does seem to suffer from a particularly rampant form of gossipitis...

getmore4less

pollypenny wrote: »

Are you suggesting thst a funeral is delayed until the house is sold?

Tends to be a long job! :eek:

No unless someone pays for it it becomes a debt on the estate and does not take priority over the secured debts.

If the house is worth less than the secured debt there won't be any money to pay the funeral from that asset same for all other secured debts.

Any debt not covered by the asset becomes unsecured and joins the queue.