60 Cyclists To Sue Edinburgh Council

esuhl

Altarf wrote: »

Your eyes.

My eyes prove you wrong. QED.

Altarf

esuhl wrote: »

My eyes prove you wrong. QED.

Proportion of car drivers that are bad drivers = minimal
Proportion of cyclists that are bad cyclist = lots

If you can't see that, then perhaps you need a white stick and a dog.

esuhl

Proportion of car drivers that are bad drivers = about 5 to 10%
Proportion of cyclists that are bad cyclist = about 5 to 10%

If you can't see that, then stop taking LSD as you're clearly hallucinating. Damned drugged drivers.

RichardD1970

Altarf wrote: »

Proportion of car drivers that are bad drivers = minimal
Proportion of cyclists that are bad cyclist = lots

If you can't see that, then perhaps you need a white stick and a dog.

I have to say I see a lot more bad driving than cycling.

Every time I am out I see cars diving across the lights as or even after they have changed to red, extremely poor lane discipline, speeding, blocking box junctions, being generally selfish and unpleasant all to save a couple of precious minutes.

How many bad drivers were involved in this?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2412099/Sheppey-crash-chaos-Kent-200-injured-100-vehicle-pile-up.html

esuhl

RichardD1970 wrote: »

I have to say I see a lot more bad driving than cycling.

That's probably true. Maybe I was being over-generous with my estimates above!

But even if it is 5 to 10% for both groups, it's drivers who put themselves (and others) at the most risk of harm -- the size, weight and speed means that they cause many, many, many times more deaths and injuries.

And the feeling of invulnerability that a metal box gives, with all its safety-features only encourages more risk-taking.

So bad driving is clearly an infinitely greater problem than bad cycling.

peter_the_piper

Difference being, A bad cyclist will possibly not survive a crash at the speeds a bad driver will walk away from.

Retrogamer

Altarf wrote: »

Proportion of car drivers that are bad drivers = minimal
Proportion of cyclists that are bad cyclist = lots

If you can't see that, then perhaps you need a white stick and a dog.

Perhaps it's just your location.

In my area, around 25% of cyclists could brush up on their skills abit and about 95% of motorists could.

I commute about 200 miles a week via car and i see almost every car break the speed limit on the motorway (maybe about 100 pass me each day breaking it on my commute) sit in wrong lanes, park facing traffic with dipped headlights on, break speed limits, wrong lane at roundabouts, run red lights, drive too closely, use mobile phones, drive with no lights on, park dangerously etc.

With cyclists all i usually see is the occasional red light runner, once in a blue moon someone with no lights at night but that's about it.

Oldfatgrumpy

Getting back to the original subject of this thread (if anyone else still remembers what it was) my enhancement to Altarf's repetitive assertion that the only sensible option would be to ban cyclists from tram lanes is: dedicate the pavement at the area in question to cyclists, and divert the pedestrians into the tram lane. As long as the pedestrians are wearing sensible footwear they will not fall over when they encounter the tramline. Anyone wearing stilettos who falls foul of the steel-lined slots has only themselves to blame for not being suitably shod for the conditions. Allowing the cyclists access to the pavement would enable them to cross the tramlines at 90 degrees so eliminating the risk of entrapment in said slots. This adjustment would slow the trams down a bit but it's a necessary sacrifice in the interests of road safety.

brat

peter_the_piper wrote: »

Difference being, A bad cyclist will possibly not survive a crash at the speeds a bad driver will walk away from.

But the majority of cyclist fatalities are down to bad driving, not bad cycling.
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2009/dec/15/cycling-bike-accidents-study

"With adult cyclists, police found the driver solely responsible in about 60%-75% of all cases, and riders solely at fault 17%-25% of the time."

Tilt

custardy wrote: »

evidence?



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Judging by the episode number of this You Tube subscriber's videos (a cyclist himself), there's obviously quite a few bad cyclists!

http://youtu.be/QYIEb13Rw6U

Now this guy is a credit to responsible cyclists. Pity there aren't more like him.