60 Cyclists To Sue Edinburgh Council

Tilt

esuhl wrote: »

*slow hand clap*

Is it starting to sink in yet...? What's the common denominator with the people behaving like idiots on the road...?

Go on -- you can do it! No, it's not the mode of transport... You've invalidated your own argument there. Sigh... I obviously overestimated your intelligence.

Okay, let's keep playing your game, if we must. This is what drivers do -- street racing:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20177749

Look at this driver who flipped his car containing a 4-year-old kid into a hedge at 100mph on country lanes:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-31066447

And this lunatic is a habitual offender, having been involved in two high-speed pursuits in the last six months. It's a miracle he didn't kill anyone:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-26025613

This guy pushes his car to 180mph -- lethally dangerous in any conditions:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19358907

So... think hard about this (if you can). The common factor in all these incidents is driving, right? So drivers are inherently reckless idiots and all cars should be banned from the road?

What? You mean that most drivers don't drive like that and I've merely selected the worst examples of driving to show you? True.

So... again. Wrack your brains. What does that say about the validity of your ignorant prejudices against cyclists...? Ah. Some people are lost causes!

Pity you didn't read my comments in post #171 where you would of noticed that I do indeed concede that cyclists are not the only irresponsible road users, but 10 out of 10 for your patronising skills :T

Retrogamer

Tilt wrote: »

Judging by the episode number of this You Tube subscriber's videos (a cyclist himself), there's obviously quite a few bad cyclists!

http://youtu.be/QYIEb13Rw6U

Now this guy is a credit to responsible cyclists. Pity there aren't more like him.

I'd say my etiquette is much the same as his just now whilst cycling. I'm a motorist as well and i just want to try and share the road with everyone else, legally and without trying to antagonise or hold people up.

Tilt

Retrogamer wrote: »

I'd say my etiquette is much the same as his just now whilst cycling. I'm a motorist as well and i just want to try and share the road with everyone else, legally and without trying to antagonise or hold people up.

Then sir, you have a 'like' from me! :beer:

Banara

Surely the council are simply going to stop the cycle path before & after the tracks and put up a sign saying dismount & walk through them.

brat

Tilt wrote: »

Judging by the episode number of this You Tube subscriber's videos (a cyclist himself), there's obviously quite a few bad cyclists!

http://youtu.be/QYIEb13Rw6U

Now this guy is a credit to responsible cyclists. Pity there aren't more like him.

I did 200 bike rides last year excluding commutes, 7,500 miles in total. On each ride I'll have seen a dozen examples of carelessness by car drivers, each one of which would put me in at least as much danger as the cyclists put themselves in in this video. Two or three incidents each trip are usually sufficiently bad to warrant taking the driver to court.

This is why it's pointless using anecdote and youtube to try to make a point. You need facts.

Yes, bad riders cycle badly, bad drivers can drive badly.
But half of cycling threads on forums are about motorists attitude towards cyclists, seemingly forgetting that car drivers are often just as bad, and when they are bad, they maim and kill thousands of times more often than cyclists do.

custardy

Banara wrote: »

Surely the council are simply going to stop the cycle path before & after the tracks and put up a sign saying dismount & walk through them.

Would that be the plan for a 'world class cycling city' as Edinburgh aims to be?

Altarf

Oldfatgrumpy wrote: »

Getting back to the original subject of this thread (if anyone else still remembers what it was) my enhancement to Altarf's repetitive assertion that the only sensible option would be to ban cyclists from tram lanes is: dedicate the pavement at the area in question to cyclists, and divert the pedestrians into the tram lane. As long as the pedestrians are wearing sensible footwear they will not fall over when they encounter the tramline. Anyone wearing stilettos who falls foul of the steel-lined slots has only themselves to blame for not being suitably shod for the conditions. Allowing the cyclists access to the pavement would enable them to cross the tramlines at 90 degrees so eliminating the risk of entrapment in said slots. This adjustment would slow the trams down a bit but it's a necessary sacrifice in the interests of road safety.

Yes that would be a perfect solution except for one problem.

Cyclists should not ride on the pavement, but do, so the same law breaking cyclists will now break the law by cycling on the road.

So nice idea, but I the sensible solution is still to ban the cyclists from the area.

Banara wrote: »

Surely the council are simply going to stop the cycle path before & after the tracks and put up a sign saying dismount & walk through them.

And cyclists will ignore it, fall off, and moan.

custardy

Oldfatgrumpy wrote: »

Getting back to the original subject of this thread (if anyone else still remembers what it was) my enhancement to Altarf's repetitive assertion that the only sensible option would be to ban cyclists from tram lanes is: dedicate the pavement at the area in question to cyclists, and divert the pedestrians into the tram lane. As long as the pedestrians are wearing sensible footwear they will not fall over when they encounter the tramline. Anyone wearing stilettos who falls foul of the steel-lined slots has only themselves to blame for not being suitably shod for the conditions. Allowing the cyclists access to the pavement would enable them to cross the tramlines at 90 degrees so eliminating the risk of entrapment in said slots. This adjustment would slow the trams down a bit but it's a necessary sacrifice in the interests of road safety.

Altarf wrote: »

Yes that would be a perfect solution except for one problem.

Cyclists should not ride on the pavement, but do, so the same law breaking cyclists will now break the law by cycling on the road.

So nice idea, but I the sensible solution is still to ban the cyclists from the area.



And cyclists will ignore it, fall off, and moan.

Oh dear,did our prejudices blinker us again?

Altarf

custardy wrote: »

Oh dear,did our prejudices blinker us again?

No, the point was, whatever you ask cyclists to do, they ignore it.

And then moan.

esuhl

Altarf wrote: »

No, the point was, whatever you ask cyclists to do, they ignore it.

And then moan.

Not as bad as motorists do:
http://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/2013/4/23/70-of-uk-drivers-say-speed-cameras-only-exist-to-make-money/46848/

Boo hoo! A camera caught me breaking the law and all I got was a fine, but it's not fair because I didn't cause an accident, and everyone knows drivers can ignore whatever they're told to do. Sniff.

And then, they post on cycling threads and whinge even more.