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if you knew someone was abusing the system would you report it?

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  • marleyboy
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    Definately NOT! As it is clear as water that this has more to do with SOUR GRAPES than someone defrauding the system based on your own assumption of them.

    That you THINK they are defrauding, based on your own guesswork, particularly when comparing against your own downfall is reason enough to mind your own.
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  • If they were running marathons or mountain climbing then I would report them.

    What makes you think they don't need crutches - I would be dubious if I had a fraud referral that mentioned this without something more substantive that they aren't really disabled - sadly we have to pass on any allegation even if we think it is spurious or vindictive? If they walk a few miles to the shop and play football in the park every day then that would be worth investigating (I once had the pleasure of accompanying one of our fraud officers investigating a severally wheelchair bound disabled man and found him half way up some scaffolding bricklaying).

    Unless you have access to his medical files do you know what long term damage was done by having a tree fall on them?
    These are my own views and you should seek advice from your local Benefits Department or CAB.
  • DavidF
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    I hope if you report him you remember to include the Dr's receptionists full name and address as he/she will obviously be a material witness. :rotfl::eek:
  • bluelass wrote: »
    I know someone who works at the drs surgery he goes to they also live facing him. He has refused help to get his weight down ie see a dietician and even refused tokens for fruit and veg (he doesn't like them). After the accident he had to have pins in his legs and was due to have them redone last year but he cancelled the op twice and didn't even go to the pre op assessment. The crutches were either bought off a site or he took them from a hospital. He manages to get off a very high bar stool with no difficulty and walks to the pub a good twenty minutes from his house and when he gets just around the corner slows down and hobbles. Just before Christmas a pub employee had a birthday do and a buffet was put on and music, he couldn't have got to the food quick enough and I and others seen him do the twist with his wife (who is also obese and on ESA). No im not envious I work 30 hours in a job I like im just saying when I first started with the seizures almost 4 years ago the consultant a the hospital signed me unfit for 2 months and I only got SSP and not full pay I was told I could try to claim PIP as many other people with certain health conditions in employment can but I was told I did not qualify. He drives a people carrier even though hee has 2 grown sons who still live with them, how does someone afford to buy that and tax insurance etc on benefits?

    keep digging...the person who works at the drs has NO right gossiping about patients its a sackable offence
    as for PIP you won't know if you can get it until you apply,who told you that you couldn't get it?
  • bluelass wrote: »
    I know someone who works at the drs surgery he goes to they also live facing him. He has refused help to get his weight down ie see a dietician and even refused tokens for fruit and veg (he doesn't like them). After the accident he had to have pins in his legs and was due to have them redone last year but he cancelled the op twice and didn't even go to the pre op assessment. The crutches were either bought off a site or he took them from a hospital. He manages to get off a very high bar stool with no difficulty and walks to the pub a good twenty minutes from his house and when he gets just around the corner slows down and hobbles. Just before Christmas a pub employee had a birthday do and a buffet was put on and music, he couldn't have got to the food quick enough and I and others seen him do the twist with his wife (who is also obese and on ESA). No im not envious I work 30 hours in a job I like im just saying when I first started with the seizures almost 4 years ago the consultant a the hospital signed me unfit for 2 months and I only got SSP and not full pay I was told I could try to claim PIP as many other people with certain health conditions in employment can but I was told I did not qualify. He drives a people carrier even though hee has 2 grown sons who still live with them, how does someone afford to buy that and tax insurance etc on benefits?
    Are you absolutely kidding?

    If it were me I would report the person who works at his doctors ASAP. This is not the type of information they should be gossiping about over the garden fence. Personally I'd be very happy to see them lose their job over this, but if that is something that would play on your conscience you could always just tell the Practice Manager without naming the individual who actually gave you the information.

    As for the guy living it up on DLA, leave him alone. You know nothing about his life other than what you've gleaned from curtain twitching and someone who clearly has fewer morals than your good self.

    Life with disabilities isn't always consistent. People have good days and bad days. People take extra care so that they are still able to do some of the things that they enjoy. Unless you know what his condition is all day for days on end you really do not know enough about him to make a judgement on whether he's entitled to benefits or not.

    If you must report him, go for it, an investigator will be significantly fairer than you and his other envious neighbours.
  • OutOfTheWoods
    OutOfTheWoods Posts: 32 Forumite
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    edited 14 January 2015 at 10:43PM
    It sounds like everyone replying on here is scamming the system to :lol:

    OP Unless you have good concrete usable evidence you cant report them.

    Yes you are all right this man may well be unfit to work & with out decent evidence it is just speculation.

    As for you all accusing the OP of making the accusation only because they were refused a payout is just as bad as the OP accusing the man of fraud.

    You all forget there is a major problem in this country of people abusing the system for there own gain or because there to lazy to work & the easiest way to do that is health problems or popping out kids (but thats another topic)

    those people shouldnt be allowed to get away with it as its costing all of us out there working hard earning there own way in life.

    If your genuine you have nothing to hide!


    Let the back lash begin :lol:
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  • merlin68
    merlin68 Posts: 2,405 Forumite
    You cant just steal crutches from a hospital you know, you have to have them of a member of staff who measures them against your height. the car is probably a motability car, not that its any of your business how he affords a car.
    I have never heard of the nhs offering fruit and veg tokens.
    His also well within his rights to refuse surgery, maybe his had enough of being messed around.
  • merlin68 wrote: »
    You cant just steal crutches from a hospital you know, you have to have them of a member of staff who measures them against your height. the car is probably a motability car, not that its any of your business how he affords a car.
    I have never heard of the nhs offering fruit and veg tokens.
    His also well within his rights to refuse surgery, maybe his had enough of being messed around.

    You don't have much experience of crutches then. Mine are from the Internet and I've never been measured.

    NHS do offer healthy vouchers to obese patients.

    OP I'd report if they investigate and find nothing then there's things you don't know. Try to take photos, video footage and supply as much information as to your reasonable belief. If nothing happens your belief was wrong. You suspect a crime its your duty to report crimes.
  • dori2o
    dori2o Posts: 8,150 Forumite
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    Only you can decide whether or not to report someone.

    I will say this though, I have seen the results of an investigation where the claimant who was accused of being on the fiddle was genuine.

    A lot of people use the quote, 'If you have nothing to hide then you have nothiung to fear'. That however isn't quite true.

    The investigation of my friend left him unable to sleep at night. He started to believe that he was doing wrong in claiming and had to be stopped on several occassions from cancelling his claim.

    His mental health which was already very fragile deteriorated to the extent that he was put into care for a period of 10 weeks.

    At the end of the investigation, which took 4 months to resolve due to delays with the DWP, he was a broken man. He is genuine and he retained his benefits.

    He no longer leaves the little flat he lives in for fear that someone will report him.

    He got no apology from the DWP and as this part of their normal duties he can claim no compensation for the significant reduction in health that he has sufferred because of the investigation or the additional costs he incurred.
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