RTC whilst on driving lesson

Spicy_McHaggis

atrixblue.-MFR-. wrote: »

Spicy_McHaggis wrote: »

Jump on his bandwagon why don't you. Was it not in the context of injury?

Thing is you've said if there's an injury a driving instructor must ask for an ambulance. Other than you who else says that?[/QUOTE]
you answered a rhetorical question BTW :T.


you also seemed to have placed MUST with he is to in my comment about this when reading it which also suggests you like to twist other peoples comments to suit your argument.


"other than you who else says that?" unless you can prove, im utterly and totally wrong in saying this, then whom are you to tell me otherwise and keep repeating yourself when you quote me, repetition is not going to get you anywhere, and certainly saying that I'm guessing, or making things up because you do not understand or comprehend what responsibilities a instructor has to his pupils or understand common sense where it needs to be applied is not my problem but yours.

As far as I'm aware there is no legal requirement for anyone to call an ambulance for an injury accident. Enough said.

atrixblue.-MFR-.

[QUOTE=Spicy McHaggis;67438729
As far as I'm aware there is no legal requirement for anyone to call an ambulance for an injury accident. Enough said.[/QUOTE]
I thought as such comment would appear as you seem not to place common sense in everyday doings then.
A driving instructor is operating a business his "premises" if you like is his vehicle, he has a duty of care just like another business owner to his staff, in this case he has a duty of care and supervision to his pupil (a little bit of info for you to google to help you understand!)


you see a car accident and someone is hurt, someone asks you call an ambulance as they have no phone on them, your reply is "its a RTC I don't have call ambulance for no one as legally I don't have to" would be your reply then. Where do you live? I want to avoid it incase I need medical attention an only you is around! (that's sarcastically rhetorical question BTW I couldn't care less where you live in all honesty as it clearly isn't planet earth).

Spicy_McHaggis

atrixblue.-MFR-. wrote: »

I thought as such comment would appear as you seem not to place common sense in everyday doings then.
A driving instructor is operating a business his "premises" if you like is his vehicle, he has a duty of care just like another business owner to his staff, in this case he has a duty of care and supervision to his pupil (a little bit of info for you to google to help you understand!)


you see a car accident and someone is hurt, someone asks you call an ambulance as they have no phone on them, your reply is "its a RTC I don't have call ambulance for no one as legally I don't have to" would be your reply then. Where do you live? I want to avoid it incase I need medical attention an only you is around! (that's sarcastically rhetorical question BTW I couldn't care less where you live in all honesty as it clearly isn't planet earth).

Do you know the difference between doing what right and what is a legal requirement?

atrixblue.-MFR-. wrote: »

Some of the replies here could have been a bit more polite rather than a spiteful dig at the OP.


OP your son acquired legal capacity on his 16th birthday, thus they the people whom you speak to about this I.E solicitors driving school ETC do not have to speak with you, UNLESS your son expressly gives you permission via phone or a signed letter detailing you as his agent to act on behalf of.


I know its frustrating for you as a more experienced mature person than your son you feel the persons thats dealing with the case may take advantage of this and wish to step in.


EVERY PERSON who has daughter, son, adopted child, step child ETC will want and will do the same in the same situation.
MSE has become a pick on you forum as you have discovered, some are here just to take gratification in taking the "P" out of your misfortunes, these people just add to your ignore list and move on to the helpful replies don't quote them they will soon go away.


As for the driving school, I would make sure they are registered.


Some driving schools are more organized and prepared when it comes to an accident, they have incident report forms where (in the event of an accident) the third parties details are entered onto the form and everyone elses involved, the location, the instructors registration number, the vehicle registration numbers and a brief description of what happened, both instructor and pupil retains a copy for future reference.


Its standard practice to not allow pupil to handle the incident, the vehicles main policy holder and instructor does this through their training and may also be a condition on their insurance to do so.
Their put in the passenger seat because a pupil maybe in shock form what has happened and thus retake control over vehicle to prevent the pupil whilst in shock from operating the vehicle by mistake and flustered and in shock state cause more damage or harm.


If injury is reported to the instructor at roadside he is to call ambulance and police, the instructor has a duty of care to ensure the safety of his pupil immediately after an accident and events after, if the pupil is fine, he is to notify next of kin they have been involved in an accident and either ask to collect him or her (if the vehicle is damaged and not moveable and recovery is on rout for the vehicle) or drop off and notify next of kin as a precaution to look for signs of whiplash and to get medical treatment if signs such appear.


EDIT: this is not a police matter! this is a civil dispute, OP has two options, go to the instructors place of residence and ask at the door or driving center for these details, OR tell your solicitor the registration mark of the instructors vehicle and get them to do their job in tracing the insurers and making the legal requests for the thirdpartys insurance.

Obviously not, you make it up as you go along.

Have you ever called 999 following an accident? You do know that an ambulance won't automatically attend for slight injury.

atrixblue.-MFR-.

Spicy_McHaggis wrote: »

Do you know the difference between doing what right and what is a legal requirement?



Obviously not, you make it up as you go along.

Have you ever called 999 following an accident? You do know that an ambulance won't automatically attend for slight injury.

umm you'd find the comment is full of common sense, if common sense is making it up as you go along then you have a problem with differentiating between the two meanings, but if you want to switch to the immature game of being legally obligated and common sense (or making it up as you go along sense) to suit your argument that's your perogative it doesn't prove i'm making it up nor does it prove I wrong in my opinion or advise because you keep repeating it does it. I also said repetition doesn't get you anywhere and repeating yourself is getting boring, id love nothing more than join the magic roundabout your on with repetitive comments but id rather stay here in reality land where I'm firmly grounded. Farewell my friend I hope you get some help with that repetitive problem!

Spicy_McHaggis

atrixblue.-MFR-. wrote: »

umm you'd find the comment is full of common sense, if common sense is making it up as you go along then you have a problem with differentiating between the two meanings, but if you want to switch to the immature game of being legally obligated and common sense (or making it up as you go along sense) to suit your argument that's your perogative it doesn't prove i'm making it up nor does it prove I wrong in my opinion or advise because you keep repeating it does it. I also said repetition doesn't get you anywhere and repeating yourself is getting boring, id love nothing more than join the magic roundabout your on with repetitive comments but id rather stay here in reality land where I'm firmly grounded. Farewell my friend I hope you get some help with that repetitive problem!

I think you need to see someone.

Tilt

Spicy_McHaggis wrote: »

You know fine well I mean reportable in the way of injury.

Not sure what your argument is. You clearly stated that if you drive your car into a brick wall and break your leg, it isn't a reportable accident. I merely pointed out that it is. Plus I believe that when an ambulance is called (which I presume one would be by someone to attend to your broken leg) to an RTC, the police are routinely informed.

jimjames

Retrogamer wrote: »

I'm a bit confused by this. Why would he come to tell you about it?

Guess it's a grey area.

17 year old is a child in the eyes of the law and isn't an adult but is old enough to drive. Can't take out contract in their own name and can't vote or have credit.

I'd expect to be told of an accident involving my child.

Spicy_McHaggis

Tilt wrote: »

Not sure what your argument is. You clearly stated that if you drive your car into a brick wall and break your leg, it isn't a reportable accident. I merely pointed out that it is. Plus I believe that when an ambulance is called (which I presume one would be by someone to attend to your broken leg) to an RTC, the police are routinely informed.

Single vehicle accident with only that driver injured = no need for it to be reported to the police.

So in the case of the OPs son who was driving, he was the only one injured therefore it's not him who's in the brown stuff if he went to the police after 24 hours as was suggested.

You'll also find out that unless it's force policy, if the land owner is present they won't record the accident.

atrixblue.-MFR-.

Spicy_McHaggis wrote: »

Single vehicle accident with only that driver injured = no need for it to be reported to the police.

So in the case of the OPs son who was driving, he was the only one injured therefore it's not him who's in the brown stuff if he went to the police after 24 hours as was suggested.

You'll also find out that unless it's force policy, if the land owner is present they won't record the accident.

I think youll find where there is injury in the event of a single vehicle accident plod do attend to try and find out why there was a single vehicle accident, I.E drink driver, careless or dangerous driving, vehicle in a precarious position causing blockage. Your repeating the same argument again zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Spicy_McHaggis

atrixblue.-MFR-. wrote: »

I think youll find where there is injury in the event of a single vehicle accident plod do attend to try and find out why there was a single vehicle accident, I.E drink driver, careless or dangerous driving, vehicle in a precarious position causing blockage. Your repeating the same argument again zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Ok they you give us a link to where it is states in the road traffic act is is reportable to the police and they should record it.

We are talking about injury and not offences here.