Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

LABMAN

Come 24/3 Scotland would/could have been well screwed financially. The YES voters should be grateful to the majority who said NO...not going to happen at all I suspect!

Generali

Leanne1812 wrote: »

I'll reiterate what I said initially.

There was no definite EU ref pre Scottish referendum or pre GE.

It was entirely dependant on who the next government would be.

No-one knew who that would be.

There's no spin or untruth here.

It's as simple as that.

That is all factually correct but none of it provides the basis for another referendum anywhere apart from in your imagination.

The next British Government looks likely to be a Conservative one and that doesn't provide any reason for a referendum either, even if the Scots still haven't got fed up with the SNP by then and return few or no Tory MPs. Even a UKIP Government wouldn't provide a reason in and of itself to have another referendum.

If the polls were showing clear support in Scotland for another referendum then I guess political pressure would end up with it happening. Anybody know what the polling is like vis-a-vis support for another referendum (I do BTW and it doesn't correspond well with SNP support).

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

We have a thing called 'the internet' here in Australia. It's great as it allows us to access media from across the world. Increasingly we can even access something called 'social media' which is kinda like a real-time newspaper written by people themselves.

Mostly this 'social media' has pictures of cats but sometimes it has some interesting debates and things. I can really very strongly recommend it.

You're self-admittedly not on Twitter, or at least following anything Scotland wise ( because if you did you'd know things you obviously don't ). I also doubt you are Facebook friends or 'like' any of the pro-indy or even anti groups on there. If you were you might know what you're talking about occasionally. You miss much of anything important and depend instead on Telegraph headlines. I doubt you even have a Herald subscription. Or any Scottish newspaper come to that. Do you ?

Anyway, the position that the No! campaign took regarding the Scottish membership of the EU was perfectly simple: if you leave the United Kingdom, Scotland will not be the successor state and thus Scotland would have to reapply to join the EU upon leaving.

Yes that's exactly what the position was. Vote No and you're out of the EU. Thank you for confirming exactly what myself and Leanne have been saying.

Those sneaky Tories and UKIP people, that the majority of British people voted for in the British General Election promised the British people that they could vote for Britain remaining in or leaving the EU if either formed a Government. From listening to the SNP goons it seems that this was kept as a secret from the Scottish people despite it being all over the internet here in Australia and indeed in England when I visited during the referendum campaign.

An EU referendum certainly wasn't all over the internet at the time of the Scottish one. You've got your timing massively out on that one. Labour was leading in the polls. And up until the night of the General Election everyone, absolutely everyone including all the pollsters thought there would have to be a coalition govt of some sort. Cameron hoped he wouldn't have to call this referendum. Blaming the Lib dems for stopping it or kicking in to the long grass. No way did he want his party split like this, or the slightest risk of a Leave vote. This EU ref was the very last thing Cameron wanted months into a five year term. He's only calling it quick because the polls were starting to look iffy and he daren't let grassroots activity take root like in the Scottish referendum.

You're rewriting history worthy of a Game of Thrones fantasy epic here, and we all know it. Voting No meant staying in the EU. End of discussion according to BetterTogether.

I urge you to invest a few tens of pounds each month in an internet. You won't regret it and it will help you post on here while having a clue what you're talking about at the same time and I think we'd all benefit from that.

I make my living on the internet as you well know. Am doing very well thanks. I'll have whatever you're on posting the above tripe though.

Shakethedisease

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

If Scotland had voted to leave the UK it was a definite vote for leaving the EU. As we would have been out and had to reapply for membership. And with current finances there's zero prospect we'd have got back in any time soon.

If Scotland voted to stay in the UK then there was a possibility of a future referendum on EU membership should the Tories get elected.

Neither of those facts were hidden in the indyref campaign.

People knew the risks of both options re the EU and voted accordingly.

You voted No thinking you would never have to face the possibility of an EU referendum. You should just admit that straight off really as you said as much at the time when I posted about one. I remember that distinctly as it was you, I and Generali ( who said the same ) mainly posting on the last thread leading up to the referendum.

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

That is all factually correct but none of it provides the basis for another referendum anywhere apart from in your imagination.

The next British Government looks likely to be a Conservative one and that doesn't provide any reason for a referendum either, even if the Scots still haven't got fed up with the SNP by then and return few or no Tory MPs. Even a UKIP Government wouldn't provide a reason in and of itself to have another referendum.

If the polls were showing clear support in Scotland for another referendum then I guess political pressure would end up with it happening. Anybody know what the polling is like vis-a-vis support for another referendum (I do BTW and it doesn't correspond well with SNP support).

There's years yet unless there's a Brexit. I cannot see why anyone in Scotland would go back to voting Labour. Since Labour/Lib Dem and Conservative votes these days seem to depend entirely on 1 ) demographics - over 60's and 2 ) Filling newspaper headlines with glee at the thought that Scotland is doing badly. The more badly Scotland does the more glee. Scotland they keep referring to remember, not the SNP who are out, loud and proud about how wonderful Scotland is and the potential it has.

They honestly think that they're getting one over on the SNP. When in actual fact all they are doing is boring Scots to absolute tears, making people angry that their country ( not the SNP ) is doing so apparently badly, and handing the SNP more votes. They miss the point that when their election campaigns completely depend on how badly Scotland as a whole seems to be doing, it's not a good look. Not up in here. Scottish Labour should've learned a lesson there from the indy ref. They obviously haven't.

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

You're self-admittedly not on Twitter, or at least following anything Scotland wise ( because if you did you'd know things you obviously don't ). I also doubt you are Facebook friends or 'like' any of the pro-indy or even anti groups on there. If you were you might know what you're talking about occasionally. You miss much of anything important and depend instead on Telegraph headlines. I doubt you even have a Herald subscription. Or any Scottish newspaper come to that. Do you ?

Yes that's exactly what the position was. Vote No and you're out of the EU. Thank you for confirming exactly what myself and Leanne have been saying.

An EU referendum certainly wasn't all over the internet at the time of the Scottish one. You've got your timing massively out on that one. Labour was leading in the polls. And up until the night of the General Election everyone, absolutely everyone including all the pollsters thought there would have to be a coalition govt of some sort. Cameron hoped he wouldn't have to call this referendum. Blaming the Lib dems for stopping it or kicking in to the long grass. No way did he want his party split like this, or the slightest risk of a Leave vote. This EU ref was the very last thing Cameron wanted months into a five year term. He's only calling it quick because the polls were starting to look iffy and he daren't let grassroots activity take root like in the Scottish referendum.

You're rewriting history worthy of a Game of Thrones fantasy epic here, and we all know it. Voting No meant staying in the EU. End of discussion according to BetterTogether.

I make my living on the internet as you well know. Am doing very well thanks. I'll have whatever you're on posting the above tripe though.

The more you play the man not the ball the more I think I'm right

Surely you're not so blind to UK politics you didn't realise that two of the four biggest parties in the UK was offering an EU referendum. It's hardly the fault of UK politicians if you CBA to read the newspapers.

wotsthat

Shakethedisease wrote: »

You're self-admittedly not on Twitter, or at least following anything Scotland wise ( because if you did you'd know things you obviously don't ). I also doubt you are Facebook friends or 'like' any of the pro-indy or even anti groups on there. If you were you might know what you're talking about occasionally.

You can get any version of the truth you want on Twitter and Facebook. They're vehicles for feeding confirmation bias.

Of course, some confirmation biases eat more than others.

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

You voted No thinking you would never have to face the possibility of an EU referendum. You should just admit that straight off really as you said as much at the time when I posted about one. I remember that distinctly as it was you, I and Generali ( who said the same ) mainly posting on the last thread leading up to the referendum.

You love to make stuff up STD. Just like the YouGov polling where you kept claiming that they had changed their methodology right up until they announced a change in their methodology in future. You went pretty quiet on that.

Mr Cameron has been promising a referendum on the EU since January 2013

http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0123/364037-david-cameron-eu/

What's the plan? Gonna carry on lying about that too and hope nobody notices or that at least your 'side' assumes that this is just another evil Unionist slur against the heroic SNPites.

I pity you when you post stuff like this although it's more bathetic than pathetic really.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Shakethedisease wrote: »

You voted No thinking you would never have to face the possibility of an EU referendum. You should just admit that straight off really as you said as much at the time when I posted about one.

Indeed I thought it was pretty unlikely.

But given the choice between definitely being out of the EU in the event of a Yes vote and possibly having an EU referendum if the Tories won, I'd still vote No.

If EU membership was a strong part of your reason to vote No, you'd still have been mad to vote Yes, even if you knew the Tories would win a majority.

Yes was a vote to leave the EU as well as the UK. Simple as that.

chewmylegoff

Generali wrote: »

You love to make stuff up STD. Just like the YouGov polling where you kept claiming that they had changed their methodology right up until they announced a change in their methodology in future. You went pretty quiet on that.

Mr Cameron has been promising a referendum on the EU since January 2013

http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0123/364037-david-cameron-eu/

What's the plan? Gonna carry on lying about that too and hope nobody notices or that at least your 'side' assumes that this is just another evil Unionist slur against the heroic SNPites.

I pity you when you post stuff like this although it's more bathetic than pathetic really.

Wasn't it in the conservative manifesto for the 2010 election as well and only not progressed in the last parliament because the lib dems wouldn't support it so it didn't get into the coalition agreement or whatever.